Nextourer

ahh... so then why go full CF like the Konigsegg?

Tekknikal

trdfantasy, i agree its possible to achieve lexus refinement and porsche gt2 like performance sub 3k lbs but i dont think it will be done at a $120k price point in volume if lexus intends on coming close to break even.

you might give examples of how its possible, but i could also explain how its not and we could go forever until the car comes out. or we can agree to disagree and see what happens. at the end of the day i concede its physically possible but dont think lexus will be doing that.....

MPLexus301

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Honestly I think this car will come in closer to $140,000 than $120,000. Just considering the price of the LS 600hL, it can reach the $120,000 mark when loaded and the new LX will also take a considerable price hike considering that the Land Cruiser has done the same.

LexFather

How much is that car though? $400,000? Minimal luxury and tons of focus on low weight.

As for price I'm with MP here, I smell $140k. It is a V-10.

I wonder, if the V-10 makes the GS, why not the LS as well?

Tekknikal

yeah i could see that, but still hold my thoughts at that price point.

btw its interesting to me how the lfa, r8, 911s, etc are moving through f430 territory. im not sure i could see myself getting one of those vs a f430/scuderia if i were in that segment. but i guess on the flip side, getting the f-cars isnt as easy..

LexFather

A lot of people want something different or don't want the "image" of being a Ferrari owner. Its weird reading all those forums. A lot of richer folks "rational" side simply is tired of their most expensive car, always breaking down.

And a lot either have had great experience with Lexus before and simply moved on as $$$$$ got larger.


I just watch, don't post. I think the LF-A will get some of those old buyers back and some new ones.

Looking at the luxury market, there is more money out there than ever and the luxury market has not gotten hit like the sub-luxury market.

I think the car will sell easily.

Tekknikal

yeah i agree itll sell and the market is large enough... its just interesting regardless. it wasnt too long ago that this would have been unheard of, yet here we are.

bitkahuna

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So this car won't be a hybrid or will it? If not, why not? I thought Lexus was showcasing HSD for performance?

And this car's going to be expensive! (My guess $150k and up)

Tekknikal

personally i doubt im sure others will tell you yes. (i think the hybrid lf-a is parked next to the stick is350 and is350coupe lol)

question: whats the typical weight gain between hybrids and nonhybrids?

Nextourer

yeah i know that's why I'm asking why go for CF over CFRP? I mean, enigma said CFRP is lighter.

Battery is about 99lbs. Then add the (smaller) inverter, two electric motors, reduction gear and various wires. Say 200-250lbs?

MR_F1

1) I don't think this car will be as cheap as $120k

2) Who said Lexus will be trying to break even? They can AFFORD not to even bother to try.

encore888

Not sure, this article seems to equate CFRP with cf itself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphit...forced_plastic

Nextourer

Hmm... odd. lol. Carbon fibre is woven cloth that's baked at high temps no? I was under the impression CFRP was a mix.. a composite.

Oh well...

Koma

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CF uses a resin to harden the woven material. So yes you're correct. I'm not an expert on CFRP though so I don't know what the difference between CF and CFRP are supposed to be.
So my guess is that the overall term "carbon fiber" tends to be given to anything that is used with it. So when you think Koeniggsegg that's a CFRP body even though people call it a full CF body. A full CF body would be threads of CF.
So in the case of the LF-A: CF = CFRP.
The processes might be different though, I know that dry carbon fiber is much lighter and weighs less than regular wet CF (CF with resin).

JHStrange

I think CFRP is just the correct name for what we've been calling carbon fiber just as FRP (fiber glass reinforced plastic) is what we refer to as fiber glass.