Official LF-A(II) thread (Will debut at Tokyo Auto Show, Lexus details Oct 20th, 8pm)
12-14-07 | 09:11 AM
#916
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I agree. In fact it already seems to be old news.
Almost every week we hear of new versions of Aston, Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo that can be bought NOW but all we ever hear about the LF-A is that it is IN DEVELOPMENT and will be available in the future sometime......
Toyota is trying to hit a moving target [Lambo, Aston etc.] perfectly and that is not possible. They need to come out with the car and THEN continue to improve upon it as the other marques do.
Almost every week we hear of new versions of Aston, Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo that can be bought NOW but all we ever hear about the LF-A is that it is IN DEVELOPMENT and will be available in the future sometime......Toyota is trying to hit a moving target [Lambo, Aston etc.] perfectly and that is not possible. They need to come out with the car and THEN continue to improve upon it as the other marques do.
We cannot compare Lexus to Aston, Ferrari, Porsche when it comes to exotics. That is ALL they build, with low production. Lexus is not an exotic car builder. This is TOTALLY new for Toyota/Lexus. They have never produced a production V-10 sports car.
12-14-07 | 04:00 PM
#917
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I agree. In fact it already seems to be old news. Almost every week we hear of new versions of Aston, Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo that can be bought NOW but all we ever hear about the LF-A is that it is IN DEVELOPMENT and will be available in the future sometime......
Toyota is trying to hit a moving target [Lambo, Aston etc.] perfectly and that is not possible. They need to come out with the car and THEN continue to improve upon it as the other marques do.
Almost every week we hear of new versions of Aston, Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo that can be bought NOW but all we ever hear about the LF-A is that it is IN DEVELOPMENT and will be available in the future sometime......Toyota is trying to hit a moving target [Lambo, Aston etc.] perfectly and that is not possible. They need to come out with the car and THEN continue to improve upon it as the other marques do.
12-14-07 | 11:31 PM
#921
They haven't admitted to a production version. This car has been all speculation and rumors. They have said the concept LF-A has a less than 5.0L V10 engine churning over 500hp but never have publicly admitted a production version was being made.
If they decide to ax this project than they would've wasted a lot of time and money.
If they decide to ax this project than they would've wasted a lot of time and money.
12-15-07 | 12:04 AM
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They haven't admitted to a production version. This car has been all speculation and rumors. They have said the concept LF-A has a less than 5.0L V10 engine churning over 500hp but never have publicly admitted a production version was being made.
If they decide to ax this project than they would've wasted a lot of time and money.
If they decide to ax this project than they would've wasted a lot of time and money.
An “F” logo, indicating the vehicle’s status as a part of the new “F” marque, is located on each front fender.
“The first LF-A was a pure concept, but one that we went so far as to conduct engineering analysis on,” said Carter. “This latest concept is much closer to a vehicle that we would bring to market, and one in which we will be gauging consumer interest.”
12-15-07 | 09:05 AM
#923
Koma, this car is coming.
An “F” logo, indicating the vehicle’s status as a part of the new “F” marque, is located on each front fender.
“The first LF-A was a pure concept, but one that we went so far as to conduct engineering analysis on,” said Carter. “This latest concept is much closer to a vehicle that we would bring to market, and one in which we will be gauging consumer interest.”
An “F” logo, indicating the vehicle’s status as a part of the new “F” marque, is located on each front fender.
“The first LF-A was a pure concept, but one that we went so far as to conduct engineering analysis on,” said Carter. “This latest concept is much closer to a vehicle that we would bring to market, and one in which we will be gauging consumer interest.”
12-20-07 | 05:35 PM
#924
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Article on trying to reach top speed of 350km/h (nearly 220mph):
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...ID=46586&vf=26
Article also suggests pricing won't be less than $300k. Even in Aussie dollars, that's close to US$260k.
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...ID=46586&vf=26
Article also suggests pricing won't be less than $300k. Even in Aussie dollars, that's close to US$260k.
12-20-07 | 08:01 PM
#925
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Article on trying to reach top speed of 350km/h (nearly 220mph):
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...ID=46586&vf=26
Article also suggests pricing won't be less than $300k. Even in Aussie dollars, that's close to US$260k.
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...ID=46586&vf=26
Article also suggests pricing won't be less than $300k. Even in Aussie dollars, that's close to US$260k.
Good to know that they're targeting 350km/h though. That's gonna beat most cars costing 3 times as much.
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12-21-07 | 12:45 PM
#926
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Well ALL cars in Australia are much more expensive than those in the US. The US$180,050 Gallardo, for example, costs AU$414,993 there. Via interpolation, we can derive from the AU$300k pricing that the estimated US pricing for the LF-A should be US$180,050 x AU$300,000 / AU$414,993 = US$130,159.
Good to know that they're targeting 350km/h though. That's gonna beat most cars costing 3 times as much.
Good to know that they're targeting 350km/h though. That's gonna beat most cars costing 3 times as much.
Ferrari Enzo: 217mph
Lamborghini Reventon: 211mph
Mercedes-Benz SLR 722 GT-R: 209.4mph
What's wrong with this picture?
Last edited by XeroK00L; 12-21-07 at 12:50 PM.
12-21-07 | 08:14 PM
#930
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time to be skeptical: i dont really see this car mattering.
this car will probably be produced in exceptionally small numbers, so only those who are very well connected or are not very concerned with price will own it. but then if you have that kind of cash you probably also have-or have the ability to have- any number of other cars such as cgt, mcmerc, etc.
so it wont be out there... but also it means nothing to the brand. the lf-a or lf-1 or whatever it will be called will not influence the rest of the brand. the gt-r for instance faces a lot of these issues but you can bet the Z and other cars will benefit. and its technology will push the brand, at the minimum- among enthusiasts- in machines they will own. it will also benefit the industry.
the lf-1 will not. the basics of its platform will not be shared. nor will the basics of its powerplant...or pretty much anything else. not only will it not be shared but nothing will be remotely similar. it is unlikely to push its competition very hard in directions they weren't going in anyway. so yes it could be great, but again how will it matter?
the only way i see it mattering is if you are simply a lexus enthusiast (in particular).
otherwise, it could be a great car. but as far as impact goes, i dont see it.
so while i very much look forward to the car's debut, im very skeptical that it will really matter.
this car will probably be produced in exceptionally small numbers, so only those who are very well connected or are not very concerned with price will own it. but then if you have that kind of cash you probably also have-or have the ability to have- any number of other cars such as cgt, mcmerc, etc.
so it wont be out there... but also it means nothing to the brand. the lf-a or lf-1 or whatever it will be called will not influence the rest of the brand. the gt-r for instance faces a lot of these issues but you can bet the Z and other cars will benefit. and its technology will push the brand, at the minimum- among enthusiasts- in machines they will own. it will also benefit the industry.
the lf-1 will not. the basics of its platform will not be shared. nor will the basics of its powerplant...or pretty much anything else. not only will it not be shared but nothing will be remotely similar. it is unlikely to push its competition very hard in directions they weren't going in anyway. so yes it could be great, but again how will it matter?
the only way i see it mattering is if you are simply a lexus enthusiast (in particular).
otherwise, it could be a great car. but as far as impact goes, i dont see it.
so while i very much look forward to the car's debut, im very skeptical that it will really matter.