Lexus LFA- Discussion, Pictures & News (new colors gloss black, blue, yellow)
#2506
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Yes I know the GT500 racers are fast but they are limited by stringent regulations too. So sorry if I don't find a production-based race car beating another production-based race car too mind-blowing. After all the balance and dynamics of a production car do change greatly when you add such a huge wing, make it widebody, shift/reduce body weights by removing sound-deadening materials and passenger seat and adding a roll cage, and use slick tires, etc.. After all that, very little of the race car's balance and dynamics can speak for the production car anymore. All I'm saying is that I hope these LFA test drivers can share more thoughts on their testing of the production car because that's a lot more relevant to people interested in the LFA. Racing the LF-A (note the dash) is great, but it's really more about marketing and/or testing if the car's core components can withstand severe abuse than about testing the dynamics of the car.
Oh and the Super GT cars are not production based any longer. They only retain the roof of the production car they are based on. The whole car is now carbon fiber, the engines are race engines at 3.4liter V8's. What GTR do you know that weighs 2000lbs less than it's road going counterpart? That's what the SuperGT cars are nowadays.
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What don't you get though? The LFA this year was SLOWER than the LFA of last year, and there was no WIDEBODY on that car. That was the same dimensions as the production car, the only thing this years car has is the look of the production unit. the widebody was merely fender flares for the wider tires. Steel brakes were used. Not the carbon ceramic ones the production unit use. Air restrictors were put in place reducing horsepower under 500, it weighs the same as the production car. The race LFA was the production LFA with race equipment. Lexus said, 'people bring their street car to race, were bringing our race car to the street'. If anything the LFA is based off the Race Car, not vice versa. That's what that statement was about. The LFA is a race car, has a race engine, a race chassis, race suspension etc. The race LFA isn't different from the Street LFA, the street LFA is just added luxury to a race car.
Oh and the Super GT cars are not production based any longer. They only retain the roof of the production car they are based on. The whole car is now carbon fiber, the engines are race engines at 3.4liter V8's. What GTR do you know that weighs 2000lbs less than it's road going counterpart? That's what the SuperGT cars are nowadays.
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In the race car all the useless (in terms of handling) weights such as the sound-deadening materials, passenger seat and interior amenities are replaced with useful weights such as a wider body, wider wheels, a bigger wing, a stronger roll bar and a roll cage. The total weight may end up being similar to the production car but the difference in balance and dynamics will be like night and day as a result.
And why the 250 kg difference between racing LFA and M3 GT2? Are Lexus not capable of such dramatic weight reduction?
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Fair enough, but why the winner of the 2010 NR 24, the BMW M3 GT2 weights 1250 kg, 400 kg less than the production version, while the racing LFA weights about the same as the production LFA?
And why the 250 kg difference between racing LFA and M3 GT2? Are Lexus not capable of such dramatic weight reduction?
And why the 250 kg difference between racing LFA and M3 GT2? Are Lexus not capable of such dramatic weight reduction?
No offense mr. two but you don't know what you're talking about. A race car that weighs 3300lbs. compared to one that weighs 2700lbs. will have a big deal with the cornering. The LFA was ran at it's production weight, around 3300lbs. The thing doing the work here is the tires and the wing. The production LFA can corner at 1.5G. That's a lot higher than any of us have experienced. In Auto Zeitung's LFA test at the nurburgring the cornering speeds were 10kmh faster than a 458! So when you say there is no relevance, that's wrong.
And to top it off, if the LFA race car is doing corners faster than GT500 cars in race trim, that's spectacular. I'm not sure if you pay any attention to SuperGT, but they corner spectacularly, the big rear wing and the aero parts on those cars make them faster than GT1 cars, and on par with LMP2 cars. If they weren't limited to 500hp and ballasted they would set lap times comparable to almost LMP1 standards. So saying the LFA corners at Fuji faster than them is freaking amazing.
Listen to this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBWp6ftxRXA
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What don't you get though? The LFA this year was SLOWER than the LFA of last year, and there was no WIDEBODY on that car. That was the same dimensions as the production car, the only thing this years car has is the look of the production unit. the widebody was merely fender flares for the wider tires. Steel brakes were used. Not the carbon ceramic ones the production unit use. Air restrictors were put in place reducing horsepower under 500, it weighs the same as the production car. The race LFA was the production LFA with race equipment. Lexus said, 'people bring their street car to race, were bringing our race car to the street'. If anything the LFA is based off the Race Car, not vice versa. That's what that statement was about. The LFA is a race car, has a race engine, a race chassis, race suspension etc. The race LFA isn't different from the Street LFA, the street LFA is just added luxury to a race car.
Oh and the Super GT cars are not production based any longer. They only retain the roof of the production car they are based on. The whole car is now carbon fiber, the engines are race engines at 3.4liter V8's. What GTR do you know that weighs 2000lbs less than it's road going counterpart? That's what the SuperGT cars are nowadays.
Oh and the Super GT cars are not production based any longer. They only retain the roof of the production car they are based on. The whole car is now carbon fiber, the engines are race engines at 3.4liter V8's. What GTR do you know that weighs 2000lbs less than it's road going counterpart? That's what the SuperGT cars are nowadays.
a) I'm not buying that bolded statement, I don't think it is true. (I know it has restrictors, I don't think it had less than 500hp or even 530 for that matter)
b) SuperGT cars weigh around 1100kg. The GT500 GT-R is far, far lighter than just a 200lb difference of it's road going counterpart, more like 1400lbs.
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Now that was a completely biased review, in a GOOOD way. I love it. ![Thumb Up](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
Thanks for posting that 05. Some idiots replied to this video has no clue of the reality, for example I would like to see where you can buy 458, comparably equipped to the LFA, for half the price. I've read some people paid over 300K for it. For that, you get a car that might 'smokes' everyone else, in a spontaneous combustion event that is!
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Thanks for posting that 05. Some idiots replied to this video has no clue of the reality, for example I would like to see where you can buy 458, comparably equipped to the LFA, for half the price. I've read some people paid over 300K for it. For that, you get a car that might 'smokes' everyone else, in a spontaneous combustion event that is!
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I mostly agree with you, but
a) I'm not buying that bolded statement, I don't think it is true. (I know it has restrictors, I don't think it had less than 500hp or even 530 for that matter)
b) SuperGT cars weigh around 1100kg. The GT500 GT-R is far, far lighter than just a 200lb difference of it's road going counterpart, more like 1400lbs.
a) I'm not buying that bolded statement, I don't think it is true. (I know it has restrictors, I don't think it had less than 500hp or even 530 for that matter)
b) SuperGT cars weigh around 1100kg. The GT500 GT-R is far, far lighter than just a 200lb difference of it's road going counterpart, more like 1400lbs.
And why would you doubt the race LFA has less than 500HP? All the other cars in other classes don't produce that much. The winning BMW which was a GT2 car barely makes 480HP. If the LFA had over 530HP like you claim it would overtake those cars down the straights likely with ease. But the LFA didn't, and those cars (R8LMS, GT3RSR, BMWZ4) even lapped the LFA. So how do you figure the LFA produced more than 530 or even 500hp?
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Lexus LFA - 7:38,85
Lamborghini LP570-4 - 7:40,76
Nissan GT-R - 7:43,65
Wiesmann GT MF5 - 7:52,39
Don't sue me, but looks like LFA kicked some major a** around Nurburgring in a head-to-head supercomparo.
The cars involved are Porsche Turbo S, LP570-4 Superleggera, 458 Italia, Nissan GTR, SLS AMG.
The layout in this track test is the full track. Not the SportAuto 20.8 KM layout and LFA clocked an amazing 7:38 on the longer track layout. You can subtract 5 - 7 seconds to get the 20.8 KM layout result.
It just goes to show how amazingly awesome LFA is. Even with the same power (560 HP) and stripped down to the bones (LP-570 Superleggera) so much so that you can see the welds and also with AWD, LFA still knocked it out by over 2 seconds. What a car!!!
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Lexus LFA - 7:38,85
Lamborghini LP570-4 - 7:40,76
Nissan GT-R - 7:43,65
Wiesmann GT MF5 - 7:52,39
Don't sue me, but looks like LFA kicked some major a** around Nurburgring in a head-to-head supercomparo.
The cars involved are Porsche Turbo S, LP570-4 Superleggera, 458 Italia, Nissan GTR, SLS AMG.
The layout in this track test is the full track. Not the SportAuto 20.8 KM layout and LFA clocked an amazing 7:38 on the longer track layout. You can subtract 5 - 7 seconds to get the 20.8 KM layout result.
It just goes to show how amazingly awesome LFA is. Even with the same power (560 HP) and stripped down to the bones (LP-570 Superleggera) so much so that you can see the welds and also with AWD, LFA still knocked it out by over 2 seconds. What a car!!!
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Here are some of the fine details found inside the "LFA Ordering Briefcase"
3 Official Wheel Finishes
"Buff Polish Finish" = Looks like chrome, probably done by hand..
"Dark Premium Metallic Coating"
"Light Premium Metallic Coating"
6 Official Caliper color options:
Black, Blue, Silver, Red, Gold & Yellow
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A boat load of exterior & interior color swatches.. even stitching
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Enjoy,
Joe Z
3 Official Wheel Finishes
"Buff Polish Finish" = Looks like chrome, probably done by hand..
"Dark Premium Metallic Coating"
"Light Premium Metallic Coating"
6 Official Caliper color options:
Black, Blue, Silver, Red, Gold & Yellow
AND
A boat load of exterior & interior color swatches.. even stitching
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Enjoy,
Joe Z
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