05RollaXRS

Although, I agree with you about the button to deactivate the wing.

I am reading the 'TopGear' review (I will be scaning them soon) and TheStig seems to praise LFA's power and acceleration the most on the race track. Even more so than the 458 Italia. He was especially critical and blasted the SLS AMG for having a very 'narrow powerband despite the biggest engine in the group' where Stig says it has no power below 4000 rpm and most of it is available between 4000 - 7000 rpm.

Although, he never does top speed runs (where the wing becomes deterimental for top speed acceleration), he does say LFA makes a lot of power everywhere and makes the best use of it and is the most responsive car out of the group.

Anyway, Horst Von Saurma is Porsche's lead 24-hour Nurburgring driver for the Porsche GT3 911 RSR Cup car so I would not call him 'inferior' to Rohrl. Rohrl just has more experience in tuning cars.

Maybe, not the enzo, but I do firmly believe LFA is faster than Porsche Carrera GT around Nurburgring in the right hands.

If you compare Horst Von Saurma chart of LFA supertest and 458 Italia supertest side by side, you will see LFA was leading until the very last stretch of the back straight where 458 Italia gained a higher top speed of 290 km/h versus LFA's 275 km/h. Did anyone know 458 Italia was wearing Michelin PS2 Sport tires? Did anyone know LFA was tested in extreme 30 C (with asphalt temperature of 43 C) versus only 19 C for the 458 Italia and also the LFA only had 1100 km (600 miles on it in SportAuto).

Joe Z

iTrader: (10)

There were taken (by me) outdoors...

Under the Longo Lexus service drive (all natural Light), just not in direct sunlight..

Joe Z

Mister Two

Yeah, everything about the LFA from power delivery to down force level have been optimized for track use and it shows. Messing with its wing angle for better high-speed acceleration will simply ruin its balance around the tracks, which is my point.

Thanks in advance for the Top Gear scans BTW.I too believe the LFA is faster than the Carrera GT around the 'Ring, but I was simply trying to point out that it is a flawed logic to subtract 5 seconds from AutoBild's LFA lap time in the longer track to compare with von Saurma's Carrera GT lap time. A counter argument can just as easily be made that the LFA is slower than the Carrera GT if Rohrl's lap time were used as a benchmark instead.

TRDFantasy

Glad to see the SLS AMG being blasted by someone. IMHO it is an overhyped car, with disappointing styling. It is basically a Dodge Viper with a Mercedes exterior/interior and AMG engine.

I firmly believe a production LFA will be faster than not only the Carrera GT but also the Enzo around the 'Ring, and around other tracks.

gengar

Ah, thanks for the info. They were quite good pictures. I was annoyed with myself for not taking pictures at Joliet, which I neglected to do just because there was so much going on that afternoon.

05RollaXRS

I scanned and posted the TopGear 'Greatest supercar of 2010' article.

Here is the link:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lex...ml#post5799874

Enjoy!

TF109B

You talk some serious stuff there mister two. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when publications say you can subtract time from a lap for a different layout, my bet is they know what they're talking about. As far as the wing angle goes, that's not hard to change and keep downforce. Downforce is there regardless of wing angle. It's not rocket science! you point it up a little bit it'll reach a higher speed, you point it down a little bit it'll have a bit better cornering. What I'm telling you here, is that the LFA wing can be at an angle now that lexus can toy with all they want. In fact I think the magazine (AS) was b.s.ing about the wing angle. Their drag coefficient numbers were WELL off what Lexus said, Why is that? If Lexus states such and such and then AS find a higher number there's only one thing to conclude, Lexus was wrong or AS is wrong or the pre-production cars aren't as good aero wise as the production is said to be. Why? Wing angle!

07grIS350

05, thanks for posting that.
An GT-R with its superb electronics driving systems was called souless by many testers, but it's a complete reversal for the 458. The LFA's look is clearly growing on these people. I hope by the time the production cars arrived, they will accept it for what it is, a great car without harping on the price.

05RollaXRS

Yes, very impressive considering The Stig praised LFA the most on the race track. It was clearly running faster laps than other cars, which is why I suspect they did not do an actual dry lap in the LFA since it would have killed all other cars.

07grIS350

Maybe they did, but chose not to publish it for reasons as you described.

05RollaXRS

Here are the results of the AutoBild supercomparo.

Despite being handicapped by the most mediocre tires (all other cars are wearing competition super-slick tires), LFA smoked all other cars around Nurburgring.

However, LFA did not do well in straight line acceleration:


1st place: Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera

Nürburgring-Nordschleife (full 20,8 km-lap): 7:40,76 min

Engine: V10, 570 hp, 540 Nm
Drive: AWD
Gearbox: 6-speed-sequential
Tyres: Pirelli P Zero Corsa
Weight: 1430 kg (factory's claim)
Vmax.: 325 km/h
0-100 km/h in 3,4 s
0-200 km/h in 10,6 s
Quarter mile: 11,27 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th/6th: 4,7 s/5,9 s
Braking 100-0 km/h (warm): 32,8 m


2nd place: Nissan GT-R

Nürburgring-Nordschleife (full 20,8 km-lap): 7:43,65 min

Engine: V6, biturbo, 486 hp, 588 Nm
Drive: AWD
Gearbox: 6-speed-double-clutch
Tyres: Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST
Weight: 1740 kg (factory's claim)
Vmax.: 310 km/h
0-100 km/h in 4,1 s
0-200 km/h in 12,9 s
Quarter mile: 12,11 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th/6th: 4,8 s/7,1 s
Braking 100-0 km/h (warm): 33,3 m

3rd place: Lexus LFA

Nürburgring-Nordschleife (full 20,8 km-lap): 7:38,85 min

Engine: V10, 560 hp, 480 Nm
Drive: RWD
Gearbox: 6-speed-sequential
Tyres: Bridgestone EM 98
Weight: 1580 kg (factory's claim)
Vmax.: 325 km/h
0-100 km/h in 4,2 s
0-200 km/h in 12,4 s
Quarter mile: 12,05 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th/6th: 5,7 s/7,9 s
Braking 100-0 km/h (warm): 34,1 m

4th place: Wiesmann GT MF5

Nürburgring-Nordschleife (full 20,8 km-lap): 7:52,39 min

Engine: V10, 507 hp, 520 Nm
Drive: RWD
Gearbox: 7-speed-sequential
Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup
Weight: 1395 kg (factory's claim)
Vmax.: 311 km/h
0-100 km/h in 4,2 s
0-200 km/h in 12,0 s
Quarter mile: 12,08 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th/6th: 5,7 s/7,5 s
Braking 100-0 km/h (warm): 31,7 m

TF109B

Sometimes I question these guys and their times. 4.1 to 100kmh for the GTR? Really? I guess they didn't know how to use the Launch Control. But magically 3.4 for the Gallardo huh? Yeah, something is a little fishy with those times. GTR wearing slick tires? And what's up with the LFA's braking? A longer distance than any car here? Results from different magazines can vary but this is some of the worse I've seen for the GTR and the LFA, yet still the LFA wins in the Nurburgring!

05RollaXRS

Yes, all cars had super-slick tires including GTR (same Dunlop super-slick tires that Nissan put on the GTR they delivered to SportAuto).

I could imagine how much quicker LFA would have been with some super-slick tires. Lexus uses Michelin Pilot PS2 tires for the IS-F, yet decided to go with Bridgestone for the LFA? That is bizzare. I would expect Michelin Cup + tires of P-Zero Corsa tires on an extreme performance car like LFA.

LexFather

Thanks for the scans.

U.K LFA site

http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialLexusLFA

TF109B

Bridgestone is supposed to be making a one-off tire for the LFA and after that it is supposed to be used by Ferrari. That's what I've read elsewhere.