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11-20-10, 09:39 AM
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I think so too considering there are still unsold allocations in US other markets are just dying to get. I think Lexus will end up budging and shifting those unsold LFA to other markets.
Joe, do you know by any chance how many LFAs are unsold in America? My guess was between 10 - 15 of the 175 total allocations.
Joe, do you know by any chance how many LFAs are unsold in America? My guess was between 10 - 15 of the 175 total allocations.
11-20-10, 11:23 AM
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11-20-10, 10:10 PM
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more than likely they won't allow you to use your lfa. it's too much reliability, how do they know your car is in the right spec? everything has to be inspected before hard use at the track, etc... much easier for them to use their own cars
for the lug bolt vs lug nuts, i can't remember exactly but i remember something to do with better integrity under heavy track use. m3 uses lug bolts as well. if you think about it. with lug nuts, you have a stud (1 part) pushed from behind the hub, and then the lug nut (1 part) to screw on. but with lug bolt, it's just 1 part going in and tq it down. i think they say this way give better strength. can be wrong, playing from my memory
dave, i really feel for you
you are the one person on here that i really hope get the car
for remaining lfa, i have tried (exhausted) my leads, and they are very tight lip about lfa sales, they don't want public to know how many lfa are still available.
for the lug bolt vs lug nuts, i can't remember exactly but i remember something to do with better integrity under heavy track use. m3 uses lug bolts as well. if you think about it. with lug nuts, you have a stud (1 part) pushed from behind the hub, and then the lug nut (1 part) to screw on. but with lug bolt, it's just 1 part going in and tq it down. i think they say this way give better strength. can be wrong, playing from my memory
dave, i really feel for you
you are the one person on here that i really hope get the car for remaining lfa, i have tried (exhausted) my leads, and they are very tight lip about lfa sales, they don't want public to know how many lfa are still available.
11-21-10, 01:36 AM
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for the lug bolt vs lug nuts, i can't remember exactly but i remember something to do with better integrity under heavy track use. m3 uses lug bolts as well. if you think about it. with lug nuts, you have a stud (1 part) pushed from behind the hub, and then the lug nut (1 part) to screw on. but with lug bolt, it's just 1 part going in and tq it down. i think they say this way give better strength. can be wrong, playing from my memory
All BMW road cars has lug bolt, is not like the 318i has nuts and the M3 has bolts for higher strength. And all Toyota's vehicle has nuts except the LFA, I am very curious of the reason behind it, but may never find out. The only logical reason I can come up with is Toyota don't want anyone to put the OEM LFA wheels onto other Toyota or all Japanese cars in general, to keep the image of the LFA exclusive.
NASCAR has lug nuts, that's heavy track use to me.
11-21-10, 02:09 AM
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According to Lexus technical info, the bolt pattern is 114.3x5.
As for the discussion of bolts vs nuts, I do believe I heard somewhere bolts were used for strength. I can't remember where though I read this.
Slightly unrelated to the current discussion, but here is some info regarding the V10 directly from Toyota's full press release regarding the LFA:
There you have it people. The V10 was designed BY TOYOTA, ASSISTED by Yamaha.
As for the discussion of bolts vs nuts, I do believe I heard somewhere bolts were used for strength. I can't remember where though I read this.
Slightly unrelated to the current discussion, but here is some info regarding the V10 directly from Toyota's full press release regarding the LFA:
Originally Posted by Toyota
The cylinder block is cast at the foundry that makes Toyota F1 engine blocks. This groundbreaking engine was developed in conjunction with Yamaha, the result of the collaborative structure that exists between Toyota Motor Corporation and the Japanese engineering specialist. This Yamaha-assisted development was controlled and managed by Toyota at each crucial stage to meet its exacting standards.
11-21-10, 05:55 AM
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That's exactly what I thought. As for the tech's name engraved on the engine, it's the person who assembled it.
According to Lexus technical info, the bolt pattern is 114.3x5.
As for the discussion of bolts vs nuts, I do believe I heard somewhere bolts were used for strength. I can't remember where though I read this.
Slightly unrelated to the current discussion, but here is some info regarding the V10 directly from Toyota's full press release regarding the LFA:
There you have it people. The V10 was designed BY TOYOTA, ASSISTED by Yamaha.
As for the discussion of bolts vs nuts, I do believe I heard somewhere bolts were used for strength. I can't remember where though I read this.
Slightly unrelated to the current discussion, but here is some info regarding the V10 directly from Toyota's full press release regarding the LFA:
There you have it people. The V10 was designed BY TOYOTA, ASSISTED by Yamaha.
it really stood out as all the other cars were silver and white 
(except the IS-F... Which was MRM
11-21-10, 11:30 AM
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Not to get in an argument, this had been put to rest already, I had pointed out the place in the 'Adam Carolla' video at 9:12 that INDEED Yamaha motor co and signature of who built the engine is written on the side of the LFA engine block, as pointed out by the Lexus LFA specialist. The LFA specialist used the words 'hand built by Yamaha'.
If 'assistance' is what it is called, let's just say the assistance was big enough that Lexus gave Yamaha the right to put a Yamaha stamp with signature of who built the engine on the side of the engine block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRxoO...mbedded#at=556
If 'assistance' is what it is called, let's just say the assistance was big enough that Lexus gave Yamaha the right to put a Yamaha stamp with signature of who built the engine on the side of the engine block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRxoO...mbedded#at=556
According to Lexus technical info, the bolt pattern is 114.3x5.
As for the discussion of bolts vs nuts, I do believe I heard somewhere bolts were used for strength. I can't remember where though I read this.
Slightly unrelated to the current discussion, but here is some info regarding the V10 directly from Toyota's full press release regarding the LFA:
There you have it people. The V10 was designed BY TOYOTA, ASSISTED by Yamaha.
As for the discussion of bolts vs nuts, I do believe I heard somewhere bolts were used for strength. I can't remember where though I read this.
Slightly unrelated to the current discussion, but here is some info regarding the V10 directly from Toyota's full press release regarding the LFA:
There you have it people. The V10 was designed BY TOYOTA, ASSISTED by Yamaha.
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11-21-10, 01:27 PM
#3266
I never heard of lug bolts have higher strength then lug nuts, I always just think it is a matter of preferences. Since if you think about it, they are the same thing. One is a pressed in stud on the hub with a nut on it, the other is a pressed in nut in the hub with a bolt going into it, same thing, just opposite orientation.
All BMW road cars has lug bolt, is not like the 318i has nuts and the M3 has bolts for higher strength. And all Toyota's vehicle has nuts except the LFA, I am very curious of the reason behind it, but may never find out. The only logical reason I can come up with is Toyota don't want anyone to put the OEM LFA wheels onto other Toyota or all Japanese cars in general, to keep the image of the LFA exclusive.
NASCAR has lug nuts, that's heavy track use to me.
All BMW road cars has lug bolt, is not like the 318i has nuts and the M3 has bolts for higher strength. And all Toyota's vehicle has nuts except the LFA, I am very curious of the reason behind it, but may never find out. The only logical reason I can come up with is Toyota don't want anyone to put the OEM LFA wheels onto other Toyota or all Japanese cars in general, to keep the image of the LFA exclusive.
NASCAR has lug nuts, that's heavy track use to me.
11-21-10, 03:47 PM
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Not to get in an argument, this had been put to rest already, I had pointed out the place in the 'Adam Carolla' video at 9:12 that INDEED Yamaha motor co and signature of who built the engine is written on the side of the LFA engine block, as pointed out by the Lexus LFA specialist. The LFA specialist used the words 'hand built by Yamaha'.
If 'assistance' is what it is called, let's just say the assistance was big enough that Lexus gave Yamaha the right to put a Yamaha stamp with signature of who built the engine on the side of the engine block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRxoO...mbedded#at=556
If 'assistance' is what it is called, let's just say the assistance was big enough that Lexus gave Yamaha the right to put a Yamaha stamp with signature of who built the engine on the side of the engine block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRxoO...mbedded#at=556
So you can continue to think that Yamaha was involved with the design of the engine if you want, or that they are involved in building the block, but the facts are what they are.
Also as I posted, the engine block is BUILT by TOYOTA, NOT by Yamaha. Yamaha has nothing to do with the block. The block is built at a Toyota F1 facility.
The fact that the engine may have Yamaha stamped on the side means very little really, other than the fact that they assist with hand building the engine.
11-21-10, 06:14 PM
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Well, then that is the case of denial and refusal to accept the role of Yamaha in the development. Like I said before, if Lexus gave Yamaha the right to put their name on the side of the block with the engineer built the engine, there is nothing left to say. It may mean very little to you, but to others it means Yamaha played an equal role in development as Lexus, if not more.
Despite the overwhelming evidence, the denial on part of some has been there right from the beginning. As such, that means the LFA specialist trained by Lexus to show case such a proprietary halo Lexus to customers saying 'Yamaha developed engine' would imply he is a liar. He had been trained wrong or flat out a liar.
Also, all the engineers all wearing 'Yamaha' cap in the studio when they first started up the engine was also just because they did not have any 'Lexus' caps available. Hmmmm...
I don't understand. It makes no difference to me one way or the other. I am only stating what the facts are pointing towards and am willing to give Yamaha the credit they deserve in the development of this engine. That's all.
Despite the overwhelming evidence, the denial on part of some has been there right from the beginning. As such, that means the LFA specialist trained by Lexus to show case such a proprietary halo Lexus to customers saying 'Yamaha developed engine' would imply he is a liar. He had been trained wrong or flat out a liar.
Also, all the engineers all wearing 'Yamaha' cap in the studio when they first started up the engine was also just because they did not have any 'Lexus' caps available. Hmmmm...
I don't understand. It makes no difference to me one way or the other. I am only stating what the facts are pointing towards and am willing to give Yamaha the credit they deserve in the development of this engine. That's all.
This does not change my point. Like I said, the engine was DESIGNED by Toyota, and Yamaha ASSISTS in building it, according to Toyota specifications.
So you can continue to think that Yamaha was involved with the design of the engine if you want, or that they are involved in building the block, but the facts are what they are.
Also as I posted, the engine block is BUILT by TOYOTA, NOT by Yamaha. Yamaha has nothing to do with the block. The block is built at a Toyota F1 facility.
The fact that the engine may have Yamaha stamped on the side means very little really, other than the fact that they assist with hand building the engine.
So you can continue to think that Yamaha was involved with the design of the engine if you want, or that they are involved in building the block, but the facts are what they are.
Also as I posted, the engine block is BUILT by TOYOTA, NOT by Yamaha. Yamaha has nothing to do with the block. The block is built at a Toyota F1 facility.
The fact that the engine may have Yamaha stamped on the side means very little really, other than the fact that they assist with hand building the engine.
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11-22-10, 12:26 AM
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Awesome pics GiantsFan, thanks!
I don't think it's denial, but simply miscommunication and misrepresentation. Yes, Yamaha engineers were involved with building the engine and the initial trials of the engine during the prototype stage. Yes, Yamaha is stamped on the side of the engine. However, this does not automatically mean Yamaha played a big part with developing the engine. Building yes, they are a big part of it.
The quote above I posted was directly from Toyota's official full press release about the development history of the LFA.
Whatever part Yamaha may have played in the engine development, they still did so according to Toyota standards and guidelines. It says so in the official press release.
It seems you are a big Yamaha fan, and I respect Yamaha too. I'm just pointing out the facts direct from Toyota.
Well, then that is the case of denial and refusal to accept the role of Yamaha in the development. Like I said before, if Lexus gave Yamaha the right to put their name on the side of the block with the engineer built the engine, there is nothing left to say. It may mean very little to you, but to others it means Yamaha played an equal role in development as Lexus, if not more.
Despite the overwhelming evidence, the denial on part of some has been there right from the beginning. As such, that means the LFA specialist trained by Lexus to show case such a proprietary halo Lexus to customers saying 'Yamaha developed engine' would imply he is a liar. He had been trained wrong or flat out a liar.
Also, all the engineers all wearing 'Yamaha' cap in the studio when they first started up the engine was also just because they did not have any 'Lexus' caps available. Hmmmm...
I don't understand. It makes no difference to me one way or the other. I am only stating what the facts are pointing towards and am willing to give Yamaha the credit they deserve in the development of this engine. That's all.
Despite the overwhelming evidence, the denial on part of some has been there right from the beginning. As such, that means the LFA specialist trained by Lexus to show case such a proprietary halo Lexus to customers saying 'Yamaha developed engine' would imply he is a liar. He had been trained wrong or flat out a liar.
Also, all the engineers all wearing 'Yamaha' cap in the studio when they first started up the engine was also just because they did not have any 'Lexus' caps available. Hmmmm...
I don't understand. It makes no difference to me one way or the other. I am only stating what the facts are pointing towards and am willing to give Yamaha the credit they deserve in the development of this engine. That's all.
The quote above I posted was directly from Toyota's official full press release about the development history of the LFA.
Whatever part Yamaha may have played in the engine development, they still did so according to Toyota standards and guidelines. It says so in the official press release.
It seems you are a big Yamaha fan, and I respect Yamaha too. I'm just pointing out the facts direct from Toyota.
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