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11-22-10, 07:38 AM
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I admire Yamaha and the part they had played in the development of the 2000 GT and now the LFA. It is only a matter of me not giving Lexus more credit than what they deserve. Without Yamaha, the V10 in LFA would be nowhere near what it is right now. As simple as that. Again, the evidence is overwhelming that Yamaha played an equal role as Lexus in development of the engine, if not more. As far as the engine goes, it is 50-50 in my book.
Yamaha has decades of experience in development of high-revving racing bike engines and also a V12 engine, which is invaluable for Lexus/Toyota, which is why they leveraged their relationship with Yamaha.
It is the same Honda, which used a lot of its sport bike technology in cars like the Honda NSX and Honda S2000, which also includes the Honda VTEC.
Yamaha has decades of experience in development of high-revving racing bike engines and also a V12 engine, which is invaluable for Lexus/Toyota, which is why they leveraged their relationship with Yamaha.
It is the same Honda, which used a lot of its sport bike technology in cars like the Honda NSX and Honda S2000, which also includes the Honda VTEC.
Awesome pics GiantsFan, thanks!
I don't think it's denial, but simply miscommunication and misrepresentation. Yes, Yamaha engineers were involved with building the engine and the initial trials of the engine during the prototype stage. Yes, Yamaha is stamped on the side of the engine. However, this does not automatically mean Yamaha played a big part with developing the engine. Building yes, they are a big part of it.
The quote above I posted was directly from Toyota's official full press release about the development history of the LFA.
Whatever part Yamaha may have played in the engine development, they still did so according to Toyota standards and guidelines. It says so in the official press release.
It seems you are a big Yamaha fan, and I respect Yamaha too. I'm just pointing out the facts direct from Toyota.
I don't think it's denial, but simply miscommunication and misrepresentation. Yes, Yamaha engineers were involved with building the engine and the initial trials of the engine during the prototype stage. Yes, Yamaha is stamped on the side of the engine. However, this does not automatically mean Yamaha played a big part with developing the engine. Building yes, they are a big part of it.
The quote above I posted was directly from Toyota's official full press release about the development history of the LFA.
Whatever part Yamaha may have played in the engine development, they still did so according to Toyota standards and guidelines. It says so in the official press release.
It seems you are a big Yamaha fan, and I respect Yamaha too. I'm just pointing out the facts direct from Toyota.
11-22-10, 09:46 AM
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Did you guys run out of things to speculate and argue about? Sheesh.
While I am totally for giving Yamaha their due credit (fairly irrelevant since they are part of the Toyota group of companies in relationship, if not fiscally), that is a silly assumption. Is Toyota's F1 factory in Cologne and the Higashi Fuji technical center there for nothing then?
I admire Yamaha and the part they had played in the development of the 2000 GT and now the LFA. It is only a matter of me not giving Lexus more credit than what they deserve. Without Yamaha, the V10 in LFA would be nowhere near what it is right now. As simple as that. Again, the evidence is overwhelming that Yamaha played an equal role as Lexus in development of the engine, if not more. As far as the engine goes, it is 50-50 in my book.
11-22-10, 10:30 AM
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It is one thing to build a F1 racing car engine that gets rebuilt very often and goes to part changes very often.
It is completely something different to build a reliable, durable, streetable high-revving engine that could be used every day of the week and go through several hundred thousand miles without getting rebuilt.
Apples to oranges here. That is where Yamaha's expertise come in since they have been building streetable, reliable high-revving engines for decades.
It is completely something different to build a reliable, durable, streetable high-revving engine that could be used every day of the week and go through several hundred thousand miles without getting rebuilt.
Apples to oranges here. That is where Yamaha's expertise come in since they have been building streetable, reliable high-revving engines for decades.
Did you guys run out of things to speculate and argue about? Sheesh.
While I am totally for giving Yamaha their due credit (fairly irrelevant since they are part of the Toyota group of companies in relationship, if not fiscally), that is a silly assumption. Is Toyota's F1 factory in Cologne and the Higashi Fuji technical center there for nothing then?
While I am totally for giving Yamaha their due credit (fairly irrelevant since they are part of the Toyota group of companies in relationship, if not fiscally), that is a silly assumption. Is Toyota's F1 factory in Cologne and the Higashi Fuji technical center there for nothing then?
11-22-10, 10:37 AM
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Completely apples to oranges.
It is one thing to build an engine that gets rebuilt after every race while it is completely a different thing to build a high-revving engine that is streetable, durable, reliable and can go several hundred thousand miles without every getting re-built.
This is where Yamaha's expertise comes in since they have been building streetable and reliable high-revving engines for decades. Toyota simply has miniscule experience compared to Yamaha in this domain.
It is one thing to build an engine that gets rebuilt after every race while it is completely a different thing to build a high-revving engine that is streetable, durable, reliable and can go several hundred thousand miles without every getting re-built.
This is where Yamaha's expertise comes in since they have been building streetable and reliable high-revving engines for decades. Toyota simply has miniscule experience compared to Yamaha in this domain.
Did you guys run out of things to speculate and argue about? Sheesh.
While I am totally for giving Yamaha their due credit (fairly irrelevant since they are part of the Toyota group of companies in relationship, if not fiscally), that is a silly assumption. Is Toyota's F1 factory in Cologne and the Higashi Fuji technical center there for nothing then?
While I am totally for giving Yamaha their due credit (fairly irrelevant since they are part of the Toyota group of companies in relationship, if not fiscally), that is a silly assumption. Is Toyota's F1 factory in Cologne and the Higashi Fuji technical center there for nothing then?
11-22-10, 10:41 AM
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Rolla,
You win today's hypebole award for this statement
"go through several hundred thousand miles without getting rebuilt"
The next time you are in Chicago, look me up and the coffee at Intelligensia is on me.
You win today's hypebole award for this statement
"go through several hundred thousand miles without getting rebuilt"
The next time you are in Chicago, look me up and the coffee at Intelligensia is on me.
11-22-10, 11:02 AM
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Did any out there that went to the LA Autoshow realize that the PR guy was stating some incorrect information on the LFA? For example, "52/48 weight distribution" and "spoiler that goes higher as speed goes higher."
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11-22-10, 11:09 AM
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11-22-10, 11:13 AM
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Don't know about the spoiler, but officially Lexus does state a 48/52 rear-bias weight distribution of the LFA.
11-22-10, 05:50 PM
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I admire Yamaha and the part they had played in the development of the 2000 GT and now the LFA. It is only a matter of me not giving Lexus more credit than what they deserve. Without Yamaha, the V10 in LFA would be nowhere near what it is right now. As simple as that. Again, the evidence is overwhelming that Yamaha played an equal role as Lexus in development of the engine, if not more. As far as the engine goes, it is 50-50 in my book.
Yamaha has decades of experience in development of high-revving racing bike engines and also a V12 engine, which is invaluable for Lexus/Toyota, which is why they leveraged their relationship with Yamaha.
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Yamaha has decades of experience in development of high-revving racing bike engines and also a V12 engine, which is invaluable for Lexus/Toyota, which is why they leveraged their relationship with Yamaha.
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Your "evidence" that you have shown so far amounts to the pictures of employees with Yamaha hats during the first start-up of the LFA V10, and Yamaha being stamped on the side of the engine. I have shown however a direct quote from Toyota. So no, the evidence is not clear at all that Yamaha had equal participation in engine development. The evidence is clear that it was Toyota that developed the engine, and Yamaha assisted them. In their assistance, Toyota told Yamaha personnel what to do and how to do it. This was not a Yamaha engine being built, but a Toyota engine according to Toyota standards and specifications.
In any case, I can only agree to disagree here and will refrain from continuing this forward. It is clear your mind on this subject will not change.
11-22-10, 07:57 PM
#3281
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Here is a picture of the side of my engine block I took for your viewing pleasure
No point in arguing anymore.
Anyway, I thought I should post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLK7C...layer_embedded
No point in arguing anymore.
Anyway, I thought I should post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLK7C...layer_embedded
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 11-22-10 at 09:13 PM.
11-23-10, 09:46 PM
#3282
I will arguing with you then..Where is other pictures showing that block belong to the LFA???? heheheh
Yamaha had their hands to help developed the engine that is the common sense they would put some mark on the engine. LFA engines are made of Toyota and Yamaha.
Yamaha had their hands to help developed the engine that is the common sense they would put some mark on the engine. LFA engines are made of Toyota and Yamaha.
11-24-10, 01:56 AM
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11-27-10, 09:35 PM
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