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Old 01-11-11, 10:14 AM
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Wow I just found this, if this is true, the newest Hilton family is much less wealthy then even I thought. The OG Hilton is loaded with $3.5B, but he is only leaving his family $5M each!

So maybe they do want a Lexus, they want something cheap to maintain

http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com...%20hilton.html
Old 01-11-11, 12:45 PM
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She's not the wisest business woman, so when she buys into a Bike team, it's probably more to get her name out than to make money off of it. I've been to the A.C. Hilton/Casino lots (used to live in Atlantic City), plenty of high rollers buy Lexus LS's, they last for one and aren't 300K for luxury, even the Prince of Monaco rides in an LS!
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
This is all that needs to be said really. If you can't, then how can you predict what the exotic market is like in other parts of the world, or even in parts of the US outside Seattle, LA, and NY for example?

If you ever came to my area, you would see the exotic community here is different. There is a very high class part of town in my area where high-end shops, restaurants, bars etc. are located. It is also a hot spot for exotic cars. Yes, contrary to what you say, exotic owners in my area often come to this high-end part of town JUST to show off their cars. What I mean by that is, many of them don't even park their cars! Many of them will drive in a loop around the neighborhood just showing off the cars.

Other owners actually do park their exotics on the street beside a restaurant usually or the hotels there.

Thing is, this area is not "hidden" or anything. It is a very well known part of town that gets quite busy on weekends, and any exotic owner that goes there with his car knows exactly what he's doing, and that is to show off.

Yes, I am sure some exotic owners know each other and probably have "hidden" meets in my area, but in my area the numerous exotic owners that show up in that high-end part of town clearly didn't buy their cars simply because they enjoy driving, or for whatever random reason it may have been. Those that show up in that part of town definitely bought their exotic partially to show off.
I've continually said that I have no idea how the LFA is doing in other parts of the world. I've said this from the beginning. I only connect what data points I know in the US and they don't at all match what I typically hear about exotics and they don't come close to matching Lexus pronouncements thus far. No more. So far the only cars that have fallen into the usual channels of buzz are the cars that are apparently dealer owned. Normally the same buzz would show up with private owners but so far, it's been very quiet.

Again, someone here will create a database of cars, owners, locations, VINs, and color. I predict that every car will be identified soon enough and with six to seven coming per month, the database should be easy to manage. If it can be done so easily on a small Lamborghini forum, it should be easy here.

As for where cars go in your area. Keep in mind that exotic cars will typically go to the nicer places for dinner. It's logical. There are also cruising strips in our area. Sure, some exotic owners drive them, but that gets dull immediately so you typically don't see higher end exotics on the cruising strips all that often. In fact the most popular cruising strip in the Seattle area is the road that goes to my house. It would be easy for someone such as yourself to assume I'm "showing off" when all I'm doing in either coming home or leaving. The police know me so I never get pulled over for cruising but it's a very big deal here and a very pricy ticket. The majority of the cruisers are kids anyway. This is a beach community so it's usually the guys in cars looking at the chicks walking the sidewalks in bikinis rather than people looking at the cars.

Parking is another huge consideration with any exotic so it's not unusual to see someone looking for a spot where they can simply protect the car. Most of us only dine at places with either a hidden lot or where there is a valet or we drive something else. We were in OC when some drunk chick dove on the hood of a friend's LP640 in her sequin dress before anyone could react. Luckily it's carbon fiber and it was clear masked so there was no harm, but it could have gone very badly.

Knowing where you can and can't go is a part of exotic ownership and is one more reason why most exotic owners get to know each other regardless of brand. As much as you'd like to stereotype the habits of LFA owners as atypical, I'm betting they will be like the other brands and difficult to pigeon hole.
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So you're implying you know the habits of exotic owners in my area and that most of them are simply cruising looking for hidden parking?

I would personally not make any implied statements of an area I have zero familiarity with.

I know what I know, and I see "higher-end exotics" cruising this WELL-KNOWN part of town all the time. There are no beaches in this area or girls in bikinis. There are no visible landmarks. It's simply an area full of shops, restaurants, and bars. And no, most of the drivers of the exotics in this area are not kids. Almost all of the drivers of high-end exotics in this area are middle-aged or older. On rare occasions you will see younger drivers cruising around in exotics, but they are usually lower-end exotics. I have never seen a single younger driver in a high-end exotic in that area. Even when young celebrities are in the town and in that area, I have yet to see or hear them driving high-end exotics. Lower-end exotics perhaps, but that's about it.

You also contradict your own implied statement. If people cruising are looking for a parking spot, and if as you claim many exotic owners are looking for hidden parking, then WHY would these exotics keep cruising around in a loop? Surely if what you say is true, these exotic owners in my area would know all the hidden spots and would not cruise around aimlessly like that. Unless of course you're wrong, and they are cruising around to show off like I said.

Furthermore, if any exotic owners lived in the area, they would not cruise doing multiple loops around the neighborhood. Exotics cruising and doing multiple loops in this area is very common.

Let me be clear, we're talking about my area, not Seattle. I am clearly explaining what occurs in my area. Whether you want to believe it or not is your choice.

This high-end area around where I live is not the only place in town where high-end restaurants, shops, and bars exist. I'm sure many exotic owners like to go to nicer places for dinner, but there are plenty of OTHER places in town that are lesser known where exotic owners can go for high-end dinners. Places where they can have more privacy, less hassle, and more piece of mind when parking their exotic. Yet, many of them continue to go to this well-known part of town.

This past summer I saw an SLR McLaren 722 Roadster parked in the middle of the day out in the open, on the side of the street right near a restaurant in this well known area. There was NO reason for him to park there other than to show off. The restaurant's design does not give a clear view out the windows, so even if he wanted to, he would not have a clear view of the car as he was eating. Did I mention this well-known area has protected hidden lots, and valet all around? This gentleman could have easily parked his 722 Roadster at a private protected lot, with a dedicated person watching his car, but he chose not to.

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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
So you're implying you know the habits of exotic owners in my area and that most of them are simply cruising looking for hidden parking?

I would personally not make any implied statements of an area I have zero familiarity with.

I know what I know, and I see "higher-end exotics" cruising this WELL-KNOWN part of town all the time. There are no beaches in this area or girls in bikinis. There are no visible landmarks. It's simply an area full of shops, restaurants, and bars. And no, most of the drivers of the exotics in this area are not kids. Almost all of the drivers of high-end exotics in this area are middle-aged or older. On rare occasions you will see younger drivers cruising around in exotics, but they are usually lower-end exotics. I have never seen a single younger driver in a high-end exotic in that area. Even when young celebrities are in the town and in that area, I have yet to see or hear them driving high-end exotics. Lower-end exotics perhaps, but that's about it.

You also contradict your own implied statement. If people cruising are looking for a parking spot, and if as you claim many exotic owners are looking for hidden parking, then WHY would these exotics keep cruising around in a loop? Surely if what you say is true, these exotic owners in my area would know all the hidden spots and would not cruise around aimlessly like that. Unless of course you're wrong, and they are cruising around to show off like I said.

Furthermore, if any exotic owners lived in the area, they would not cruise doing multiple loops around the neighborhood. Exotics cruising and doing multiple loops in this area is very common.

Let me be clear, we're talking about my area, not Seattle. I am clearly explaining what occurs in my area. Whether you want to believe it or not is your choice.

This high-end area around where I live is not the only place in town where high-end restaurants, shops, and bars exist. I'm sure many exotic owners like to go to nicer places for dinner, but there are plenty of OTHER places in town that are lesser known where exotic owners can go for high-end dinners. Places where they can have more privacy, less hassle, and more piece of mind when parking their exotic. Yet, many of them continue to go to this well-known part of town.

This past summer I saw an SLR McLaren 722 Roadster parked in the middle of the day out in the open, on the side of the street right near a restaurant in this well known area. There was NO reason for him to park there other than to show off. The restaurant's design does not give a clear view out the windows, so even if he wanted to, he would not have a clear view of the car as he was eating. Did I mention this well-known area has protected hidden lots, and valet all around? This gentleman could have easily parked his 722 Roadster at a private protected lot, with a dedicated person watching his car, but he chose not to.
Yup, you're right. I don't know your area. My posts were about my observations in the US. You were the one projecting, what you described as the "show off" habits of exotic owners and that may be the case in your area. It's not what I see around here for the most part. Yea, I'm sure it happens as many are proud of their cars, but that doesn't make them show-offs either.

My hope is that LFA buyers will be out and about in their cars as I'd like to see with any exotics, and when I do see them out, I won't think anything other than they are out enjoying their cars.

As for our area, we don't have a big circle around here and it's not easy to ever find suitable safe parking so I don't dine near my house all that much.

I think at first people don't think about where they park their exotic and after a while you're tired of hand prints on the glass, people leaning against the cars and doing other things to try and make it look like it's their car. You reach the point where it's just not worth the hassle so you drive something else instead.

I know you're doing your best to paint marque brands as "show-offs" as you put it, but frankly, in the circles I travel in, I just don't see it all that often. I'm sure it occurs, but not as often as you'd like to characterize, at least in the US. Keep in mind, I've got two of what you'd probably call "show off" cars, yet I usually drive either my Lexus LS460L or my H2 if I have my dog with me and we're doing something outside. Yea, there are people who hate all H2 owners too, but as I said early, I don't much care. I drive what I like to drive.
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IMHO, with all due respect, the Seattle area does not seem to be a "typical" representation of how exotic owners act in major areas in North America. I've heard people in LA, specifically Beverly Hills are very showy with their exotics, but I think that would be obvious, given the money people have there and the celebrities plus Hollywood being in the area.

It's great that exotic owners in Seattle are the way they are. I just don't know if that definitely applies to all areas of the US.

I have nothing personal against exotic owners in my area, I'm just calling it like I see it. If *I* ever owned an LP640 or an SLR 722 Roadster for example, I would not be parking it on the street in a well-known area of town that gets lots of pedestrian traffic, unless the safety and security of the vehicle was guaranteed (which in this area on the street it is not).
Old 01-12-11, 11:54 AM
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I thought we read somewhere that LFA buyers are not typical and the fact it is a Lexus and "low key" compared to traditional exotic brands was a selling point? Of course some will be flashy with it which is fine to me.

I hope to see it as much as I can, as with most any exotic!
Old 01-12-11, 12:44 PM
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Agreed. I have been to LA and seen rich people who never want to let anyone forget at any point that they are millionaires. It could be through their possessions, dress up, attitude, way to communicate etc. Some even wear expensive gold jewellery stuff.

While I know a few millionaires locally here (Calgary) and met them in person. On the streets, it would be hard for oblivious person to see them as millionaires since they vanish in the crowd. They dress in t-shirts, raggedy jeans, sometimes messy hair and drive cars like Acura MDX, Ford F150 etc.

In short, based on cultures, people see things very differently across different geographical regions.

Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
IMHO, with all due respect, the Seattle area does not seem to be a "typical" representation of how exotic owners act in major areas in North America. I've heard people in LA, specifically Beverly Hills are very showy with their exotics, but I think that would be obvious, given the money people have there and the celebrities plus Hollywood being in the area.

It's great that exotic owners in Seattle are the way they are. I just don't know if that definitely applies to all areas of the US.

I have nothing personal against exotic owners in my area, I'm just calling it like I see it. If *I* ever owned an LP640 or an SLR 722 Roadster for example, I would not be parking it on the street in a well-known area of town that gets lots of pedestrian traffic, unless the safety and security of the vehicle was guaranteed (which in this area on the street it is not).
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Originally Posted by TF109B
She's not the wisest business woman, so when she buys into a Bike team, it's probably more to get her name out than to make money off of it. I've been to the A.C. Hilton/Casino lots (used to live in Atlantic City), plenty of high rollers buy Lexus LS's, they last for one and aren't 300K for luxury, even the Prince of Monaco rides in an LS!
To get her name out for sure, I was just saying I highly doubt she is remotely any kind of real auto/bike enthusiast.

There are always exception to every rules, I am sure there are quite a few high rollers who appreciate quality. I was just saying the Hilton family seems like the type who cares more about the image/badge then the actual quality. They are seen in nothing but Bentley and Ferrari.

Tom Hanks and Bill Gate are known Lexus owner because they are down to earth type who appreciate value and quality. But Bill had his LS400 a long time ago when he was still building his business, before he is a multi billionaire, it doesn't sounds like he drives a Lexus anymore.

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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
IMHO, with all due respect, the Seattle area does not seem to be a "typical" representation of how exotic owners act in major areas in North America. I've heard people in LA, specifically Beverly Hills are very showy with their exotics, but I think that would be obvious, given the money people have there and the celebrities plus Hollywood being in the area.

It's great that exotic owners in Seattle are the way they are. I just don't know if that definitely applies to all areas of the US.

I have nothing personal against exotic owners in my area, I'm just calling it like I see it. If *I* ever owned an LP640 or an SLR 722 Roadster for example, I would not be parking it on the street in a well-known area of town that gets lots of pedestrian traffic, unless the safety and security of the vehicle was guaranteed (which in this area on the street it is not).
I've driven my "show off" cars as you put it on Rodeo Drive and the very reason to take them there is that it's the place where they are LEAST likely to get any attention, not the most. They are common every-day occurrences and nobody cares. It's actually one of the places I can park anywhere and the cars are left alone. Around there it may as well be a Honda. Yet, you think people go there to "show off". Hardly! If people want to "show off" you take your car where it's something special, not where it's like any other car. Again, you're projecting your own personality on the habits of others.
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Originally Posted by BNR34
To get her name out for sure, I was just saying I highly doubt she is remotely any kind of real auto/bike enthusiast.

There are always exception to every rules, I am sure there are quite a few high rollers who appreciate quality. I was just saying the Hilton family seems like the type who cares more about the image/badge then the actual quality. They are seen in nothing but Bentley and Ferrari.

Tom Hanks and Bill Gate are known Lexus owner because they are down to earth type who appreciate value and quality. But Bill had his LS400 a long time ago when he was still building his business, before he is a multi billionaire, it doesn't sounds like he drives a Lexus anymore.
Bill's choice of car is largely a security matter. It's not at all a standard Lexus.
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Originally Posted by TommyJames
I've driven my "show off" cars as you put it on Rodeo Drive and the very reason to take them there is that it's the place where they are LEAST likely to get any attention, not the most. They are common every-day occurrences and nobody cares. It's actually one of the places I can park anywhere and the cars are left alone. Around there it may as well be a Honda. Yet, you think people go there to "show off". Hardly! If people want to "show off" you take your car where it's something special, not where it's like any other car. Again, you're projecting your own personality on the habits of others.
I must admit I am truly perplexed at this. Exactly how am I "projecting" anything here? Please explain to me succinctly and exactly in English how I am projecting "my personality" onto "the habits of others"?

Please show me where I stated at all that my personality has anything to do with "showing off". Furthemore, please show me where I am projecting such a "personality" onto the habits of others.

So you're implying there are no tourists on Rodeo Drive, no pedestrians that want to stand beside your car and take a picture? You're implying that there is no national or state television that appears on Rodeo Drive to take pictures or videos? You're implying there are no paparazzi photographers that run around Rodeo following celebrities?

Since you have stated you know about LA's exotic scene, please tell me, is that where LA's exotic owners meet up? Or do they meet up at more low-key locations?

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Default Official LFA site updated

http://www.lexus-lfa.com/

Official production of the LFA began on December 15th, 2010.

Some interesting points;

- the LFA is produced by a total of 170 people, including the carbon fiber specialists
- the plant's unique in-house carbon fiber manufacturing technology will be used for future Toyota and Lexus models. This is a BIG confirmation here that Toyota is giving us.
- a normal Lexus model is comprised of roughly 12,000 parts. The LFA is comprised of roughly 15,000 parts, ALL assembled by HAND. To those that have complained about the LFA price, THIS is the price of exclusivity and craftsmanship.
- Each part of LFA assembly is recorded in a journal, and each LFA built will have it's own work journal over 3500 pages long. This is used for future reference for each LFA built for any questions or inquiries.

Lastly, a few pictures:




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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
I must admit I am truly perplexed at this. Exactly how am I "projecting" anything here? Please explain to me succinctly and exactly in English how I am projecting "my personality" onto "the habits of others"?

Please show me where I stated at all that my personality has anything to do with "showing off". Furthemore, please show me where I am projecting such a "personality" onto the habits of others.

So you're implying there are no tourists on Rodeo Drive, no pedestrians that want to stand beside your car and take a picture? You're implying that there is no national or state television that appears on Rodeo Drive to take pictures or videos? You're implying there are no paparazzi photographers that run around Rodeo following celebrities?

Since you have stated you know about LA's exotic scene, please tell me, is that where LA's exotic owners meet up? Or do they meet up at more low-key locations?
You're the one who's projecting WHY people take their cars various places. You assume motive. I assume people are just out enjoying their cars and are going about their normal business.
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Tommy, TRD I think it might be best to agree to disagree here.

Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
http://www.lexus-lfa.com/

Official production of the LFA began on December 15th, 2010.

Some interesting points;

- the LFA is produced by a total of 170 people, including the carbon fiber specialists
- the plant's unique in-house carbon fiber manufacturing technology will be used for future Toyota and Lexus models. This is a BIG confirmation here that Toyota is giving us.
- a normal Lexus model is comprised of roughly 12,000 parts. The LFA is comprised of roughly 15,000 parts, ALL assembled by HAND. To those that have complained about the LFA price, THIS is the price of exclusivity and craftsmanship.
- Each part of LFA assembly is recorded in a journal, and each LFA built will have it's own work journal over 3500 pages long. This is used for future reference for each LFA built for any questions or inquiries.

Lastly, a few pictures:



Great info, thanks.


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