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03-27-10, 03:43 PM
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There is some BS somewhere in the '400 buyers' with '170 selected' numbers. I just went to the Autodata sales report numbers for the month of February and did my best to determine how many cars sold in February above $350k and annualized that number. As near as I can tell, in the entire US, combining Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maybach, and a little extra for other brands not listed, the market seems to be no more than 200-300 cars annually at the moment. That's it! There aren't 400 buyers of anything right now above $350k. Even 170 'selected buyers' is extremely suspicious. That would still be claiming that Lexus will add 50% more buyers to the market segment for the entire year in the next two to eight weeks alone. Right. If anyone has hard data different from mine on the number of cars sold above $350k, it would be nice if they could post it up.
03-27-10, 04:01 PM
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Tommy, your posts of late are bordering troll-like behavior and I'm going to ask you to tone it down please. You've expressed your concerns and suspicions over and over (in this thread and others) and everyone here has read them many times. Stating them yet again is not serving any purpose.
Most of our members are Lexus enthusiasts /owners as well as general car guys like you. I ask that you respect them and do the same thing as we are all doing. Wait and see.
Use this forum to learn more about the LF-A, read observations from other members who have seen or ridden in one, see who posts up about their notifications, etc but let's knock off the ongoing dissection of the order status. It clearly is not a productive conversation for anyone here except you and is creating an ongoing negative vibe.
Thank you. Please PM me with any concerns about this request and let this thread get back on topic.
Most of our members are Lexus enthusiasts /owners as well as general car guys like you. I ask that you respect them and do the same thing as we are all doing. Wait and see.
Use this forum to learn more about the LF-A, read observations from other members who have seen or ridden in one, see who posts up about their notifications, etc but let's knock off the ongoing dissection of the order status. It clearly is not a productive conversation for anyone here except you and is creating an ongoing negative vibe.
Thank you. Please PM me with any concerns about this request and let this thread get back on topic.
03-27-10, 05:42 PM
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Car and Driver reviews the LFA. Finally an LFA review that doesn't mention the GT-R for a change. Those guys get the point. 
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
World Exclusive! 2012 Lexus LFA Tested - Short Take Road Test
Ferrari-like Lexus hits 60 in 3.7 seconds. In other words, the LFA is PDQ.
BY AARON ROBINSON, PHOTOGRAPHY BY MARC URBANO AND TIM ANDREW
March 2010
Finally, the yammering and chin-pulling is over. It’s time to see if Lexus’s long-time-coming LFA supercar makes supercar numbers. We’ve strapped on the gear, we’ve burned the gas, and we’ve sorted the data. And, as far as we know, we’re the first to have done so.
Proving that it still has plenty of budget, Lexus parent Toyota jetted one of the prototypes of the $375,000 carbon-fiber LFA across the Pacific, put it solo into an enormous truck with enough empty space to hold another six or eight LFA’s, and hauled it to Arizona for us. Toyota’s own Phoenix-area proving ground being closed to visitors and especially closed to media, we went over to the Nissan Technical Center North America’s 3050-acre facility in Stanfield, Arizona, about 40 minutes south of Phoenix, where Nissan happily rents track time to anyone who’s paying.
There it was, white as an angel’s underwear, the glossy carbon-fiber dash and steering wheel reflecting our curious faces like funhouse mirrors. Many of the 200 or so employees at Nissan, busy getting their new full-size work van ready for market, just stopped and stared.
“What’s . . . that . . . doing . . . here?”
It’s here to prove it has the Right Stuff.
Ducts, Scoops, and Flares? Check
One may argue the details, but the LFA has seductive shape—wide, low, wind-swept, and perforated with important-looking vents and ducts. Flush panels hidden in the duct cutouts that form the top of the doors grant access to the cabin. The cockpit swallows you up like a hot dog in a leather and carbon-fiber bun. The dash, upswept center console, and door sills are high, the glass as minimal as possible.
Exotics often are characterized by their odd controls, and the LFA’s meet the test. The stalks controlling the single front wiper and the high beams/turn indicators are as thin as cocktail straws. You select reverse by reaching forward to find an obscure button on the left side of the instrument binnacle. The switch for the very important electric parking brake is down by your right shin. Every one of the exposed cheese-head fasteners in the dash (and there are quite a few) has “Lexus” engraved on it—certainly, for $375,000, you should expect something different, not Toyota parts-bin kit. Even the tires were exotic. They were marked Bridgestone but had no model name or DOT certification stamp. We couldn’t find anything on the LFA that looks like it came off a Camry or even an LS460, except the plastic hood release.
Twist the key to on—the key is the only old-fashioned thing about the LFA—and thumb the steering-wheel-mounted start button. The 553-hp, 4.8-liter V-10 lights with a burst of authority, a throat-clearing mini-explosion up to 2000 rpm or so, just as the engines do in Ferraris and Lamborghinis. As does a Lambo Gallardo, which also has a V-10, the LFA has a deeper, huskier, coarser voice than a Ferrari.
Computer animators went to work on the all-digital displays, apparently, after an all-nighter watching Transformers movies. The tach needle doesn’t just appear at startup, it organically grows out of the center like a mutant beanstalk. Put the car in Sport mode and the displays do a quickie switch-o, change-o to a sportier-looking dial—at least, a high-res pixilated digital one. Information screens slide out from behind each other and the centered tach slides left or right as needed. It’s all fluid and weirdly organic, and very cool.
Wham, Slam, Thank You, Ma’am
It was a steep learning curve, out there on the mile-long straightaway of Nissan’s big oval. The LFA didn’t come with an owner’s manual, so we needed some time to plumb its strange controls.
The single-clutch six-speed automated manual has four modes: Automatic and Wet, where shifting is done for you, Normal, where shifting can also be done manually, and Sport, where shifts are manual-only. In addition to the various modes, you can vary the shift speed and shock using a **** on the right side of the cluster. Lexus advised us to try both Automatic and Sport modes; unsurprisingly, we found the car quickest in the manual Sport mode with the shift speed on its fastest setting. But you don’t get full transmission control. Even in full-manual mode, the transmission upshifts for you at around 9200 rpm, 200 higher than redline.
At the moment, there’s no launch control on the rear-drive LFA, so we ran a few acceleration runs just by stomping on the throttle. It hit 60 mph in about 4.4 seconds, about as quickly as a stock BMW M3 and not terribly impressive. So we tried an old trick from our high-school days: the neutral slam.
The neutral slam was a way to launch automatic transmission cars before the advent of the brake-operated shift lock (before Audi’s brush with unintended acceleration, in other words). The technique was simple: borrow your parent’s car, go out on a quiet street, wind it up in neutral, and slam it into drive. Mayhem ensued.
The computers of most modern cars prevent you from doing that, but the LFA allows it. It took a few tries to get the technique perfected, but by holding the V-10 at about 3800 rpm and selecting first, and taking care not to go wide-open throttle and melt the run in wheelspin, we got a very clean, repeatable launch that dropped the 60-mph sprint time to 3.7 seconds, right on Lexus’s claim, and the quarter-mile to 11.8 seconds at 124 mph.
Any car that runs to 60 in the three-second range is pretty thrilling. The LFA does it with its V-10 wailing loud enough from its twin intakes and out of its three pipes to disturb moon dust. This is a spinning engine, not a twisting engine, and it spins with hyperactive quickness all the way to redline. The power peak is at a lofty 8700 rpm, the torque peak at 6800. In the mid-range it feels mild, making more sound than fury. Once the needle passes 6000, things really start to happen. We ran out of room just as the speedo swept to 155 mph.
Standing Shoulder-to-Shoulder with Giants
We’ve seen the Ferrari 599 make the 60-mph mark in 3.3 seconds, a number we found suspicious given its weight and claimed horsepower. But that car does have launch control in Europe and an active differential to help put the power down. The Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 can pull it off in 3.2, but it has weight balance to its favor and the traction advantage of all-wheel drive. With launch control, the Lexus would undoubtedly shave a couple of tenths off its 60-mph runs.
Compared to the 4000-pound, $320,000 Ferrari, the 3583-pound Lexus is light, but that’s still a good payload to haul. The LFA’s weight distribution is almost even—49.8 percent on the front, 50.2 on the rear. The carbon-ceramic brakes supplied repeated stops without fade, performing the 70-to-0-mph pulldown in a supercar-standard 156 feet. Out on the skidpad, the LFA pulled an even 1.00 g, above average for its size and weight.
We wrapped up with some hot laps on Nissan’s winding “marketability” track, not really a handling track as such, but a real-world simulator with enough curves, camber changes, straights, and pavement choppiness to simulate a back-road flog. Some magazines have already criticized the LFA for having artificial-feeling controls, but the example delivered to us showed the chassis sophistication of the European masters.
The steering is lubricated, the speed of the turn-in quick but not twitchy. The body is amazingly tied down for a machine that has no fancy shock-absorber trickery. There’s no disconcerting side-to-side motion or porpoising over the undulations. Because the torque is thinner in the mid-range, you can steam at full throttle out of corners with no fear of its breaking loose at the back. When it does start to slip, the release is so gentle and progressive that you quickly become comfortable with it. Within a very few minutes we were probing the car’s limits in corners, the surest sign of expert chassis development.
Even given its long gestation, the LFA does not drive like a car from a company new to the genre and eager to impress. It drives like a car from a company that has done this type of car many times and isn’t worried that customers won’t be pleased. Like Ferrari, in other words. If Toyota can do this on its first go with the LFA, just think what it could do to the Corolla or the Camry if the urge ever strikes. We hope it will someday.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
World Exclusive! 2012 Lexus LFA Tested - Short Take Road Test
Ferrari-like Lexus hits 60 in 3.7 seconds. In other words, the LFA is PDQ.
BY AARON ROBINSON, PHOTOGRAPHY BY MARC URBANO AND TIM ANDREW
March 2010
Finally, the yammering and chin-pulling is over. It’s time to see if Lexus’s long-time-coming LFA supercar makes supercar numbers. We’ve strapped on the gear, we’ve burned the gas, and we’ve sorted the data. And, as far as we know, we’re the first to have done so.
Proving that it still has plenty of budget, Lexus parent Toyota jetted one of the prototypes of the $375,000 carbon-fiber LFA across the Pacific, put it solo into an enormous truck with enough empty space to hold another six or eight LFA’s, and hauled it to Arizona for us. Toyota’s own Phoenix-area proving ground being closed to visitors and especially closed to media, we went over to the Nissan Technical Center North America’s 3050-acre facility in Stanfield, Arizona, about 40 minutes south of Phoenix, where Nissan happily rents track time to anyone who’s paying.
There it was, white as an angel’s underwear, the glossy carbon-fiber dash and steering wheel reflecting our curious faces like funhouse mirrors. Many of the 200 or so employees at Nissan, busy getting their new full-size work van ready for market, just stopped and stared.
“What’s . . . that . . . doing . . . here?”
It’s here to prove it has the Right Stuff.
Ducts, Scoops, and Flares? Check
One may argue the details, but the LFA has seductive shape—wide, low, wind-swept, and perforated with important-looking vents and ducts. Flush panels hidden in the duct cutouts that form the top of the doors grant access to the cabin. The cockpit swallows you up like a hot dog in a leather and carbon-fiber bun. The dash, upswept center console, and door sills are high, the glass as minimal as possible.
Exotics often are characterized by their odd controls, and the LFA’s meet the test. The stalks controlling the single front wiper and the high beams/turn indicators are as thin as cocktail straws. You select reverse by reaching forward to find an obscure button on the left side of the instrument binnacle. The switch for the very important electric parking brake is down by your right shin. Every one of the exposed cheese-head fasteners in the dash (and there are quite a few) has “Lexus” engraved on it—certainly, for $375,000, you should expect something different, not Toyota parts-bin kit. Even the tires were exotic. They were marked Bridgestone but had no model name or DOT certification stamp. We couldn’t find anything on the LFA that looks like it came off a Camry or even an LS460, except the plastic hood release.
Twist the key to on—the key is the only old-fashioned thing about the LFA—and thumb the steering-wheel-mounted start button. The 553-hp, 4.8-liter V-10 lights with a burst of authority, a throat-clearing mini-explosion up to 2000 rpm or so, just as the engines do in Ferraris and Lamborghinis. As does a Lambo Gallardo, which also has a V-10, the LFA has a deeper, huskier, coarser voice than a Ferrari.
Computer animators went to work on the all-digital displays, apparently, after an all-nighter watching Transformers movies. The tach needle doesn’t just appear at startup, it organically grows out of the center like a mutant beanstalk. Put the car in Sport mode and the displays do a quickie switch-o, change-o to a sportier-looking dial—at least, a high-res pixilated digital one. Information screens slide out from behind each other and the centered tach slides left or right as needed. It’s all fluid and weirdly organic, and very cool.
Wham, Slam, Thank You, Ma’am
It was a steep learning curve, out there on the mile-long straightaway of Nissan’s big oval. The LFA didn’t come with an owner’s manual, so we needed some time to plumb its strange controls.
The single-clutch six-speed automated manual has four modes: Automatic and Wet, where shifting is done for you, Normal, where shifting can also be done manually, and Sport, where shifts are manual-only. In addition to the various modes, you can vary the shift speed and shock using a **** on the right side of the cluster. Lexus advised us to try both Automatic and Sport modes; unsurprisingly, we found the car quickest in the manual Sport mode with the shift speed on its fastest setting. But you don’t get full transmission control. Even in full-manual mode, the transmission upshifts for you at around 9200 rpm, 200 higher than redline.
At the moment, there’s no launch control on the rear-drive LFA, so we ran a few acceleration runs just by stomping on the throttle. It hit 60 mph in about 4.4 seconds, about as quickly as a stock BMW M3 and not terribly impressive. So we tried an old trick from our high-school days: the neutral slam.
The neutral slam was a way to launch automatic transmission cars before the advent of the brake-operated shift lock (before Audi’s brush with unintended acceleration, in other words). The technique was simple: borrow your parent’s car, go out on a quiet street, wind it up in neutral, and slam it into drive. Mayhem ensued.
The computers of most modern cars prevent you from doing that, but the LFA allows it. It took a few tries to get the technique perfected, but by holding the V-10 at about 3800 rpm and selecting first, and taking care not to go wide-open throttle and melt the run in wheelspin, we got a very clean, repeatable launch that dropped the 60-mph sprint time to 3.7 seconds, right on Lexus’s claim, and the quarter-mile to 11.8 seconds at 124 mph.
Any car that runs to 60 in the three-second range is pretty thrilling. The LFA does it with its V-10 wailing loud enough from its twin intakes and out of its three pipes to disturb moon dust. This is a spinning engine, not a twisting engine, and it spins with hyperactive quickness all the way to redline. The power peak is at a lofty 8700 rpm, the torque peak at 6800. In the mid-range it feels mild, making more sound than fury. Once the needle passes 6000, things really start to happen. We ran out of room just as the speedo swept to 155 mph.
Standing Shoulder-to-Shoulder with Giants
We’ve seen the Ferrari 599 make the 60-mph mark in 3.3 seconds, a number we found suspicious given its weight and claimed horsepower. But that car does have launch control in Europe and an active differential to help put the power down. The Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 can pull it off in 3.2, but it has weight balance to its favor and the traction advantage of all-wheel drive. With launch control, the Lexus would undoubtedly shave a couple of tenths off its 60-mph runs.
Compared to the 4000-pound, $320,000 Ferrari, the 3583-pound Lexus is light, but that’s still a good payload to haul. The LFA’s weight distribution is almost even—49.8 percent on the front, 50.2 on the rear. The carbon-ceramic brakes supplied repeated stops without fade, performing the 70-to-0-mph pulldown in a supercar-standard 156 feet. Out on the skidpad, the LFA pulled an even 1.00 g, above average for its size and weight.
We wrapped up with some hot laps on Nissan’s winding “marketability” track, not really a handling track as such, but a real-world simulator with enough curves, camber changes, straights, and pavement choppiness to simulate a back-road flog. Some magazines have already criticized the LFA for having artificial-feeling controls, but the example delivered to us showed the chassis sophistication of the European masters.
The steering is lubricated, the speed of the turn-in quick but not twitchy. The body is amazingly tied down for a machine that has no fancy shock-absorber trickery. There’s no disconcerting side-to-side motion or porpoising over the undulations. Because the torque is thinner in the mid-range, you can steam at full throttle out of corners with no fear of its breaking loose at the back. When it does start to slip, the release is so gentle and progressive that you quickly become comfortable with it. Within a very few minutes we were probing the car’s limits in corners, the surest sign of expert chassis development.
Even given its long gestation, the LFA does not drive like a car from a company new to the genre and eager to impress. It drives like a car from a company that has done this type of car many times and isn’t worried that customers won’t be pleased. Like Ferrari, in other words. If Toyota can do this on its first go with the LFA, just think what it could do to the Corolla or the Camry if the urge ever strikes. We hope it will someday.
03-27-10, 08:18 PM
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nice review!
03-27-10, 08:22 PM
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Hi Tommy,
I located the table in this link
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/pag...autosales.html
It looks like Ferrari will do 1000 units plus or minus for the year. If 10% are 599s and 612s that is 100 units right there.
Rolls could add 300 units.
I did not see Lambo but give a guess 35-50 there. You pick the number as this is your specialty.
I am not sure if Bentley can get you up to $350K.
Another 25 for Maybach and you could have 500 total for the year.
For additional consideration, what about the MB gull wing? There should be some activity there.
I did not see any Aston numbers so a couple of dozen there to count for the sake of it.
The LFA will add 80 units per year to the US market starting in 2011 and continue for the 25 month production run (the last cars hitting the streets in 2013. When the term buyers is used, keep that as folks who make a transaction during the year. Lots of folks look at stuff and plan purchases. The LFA buying process was created to have stages and kind of chug along. 170 of us will get a you have reached go signal. For the folks that take a pass or fail the credit hoo hah, some of the remaining 230 plus US folks will get a call till the 170 are spoken for.
I located the table in this link
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/pag...autosales.html
It looks like Ferrari will do 1000 units plus or minus for the year. If 10% are 599s and 612s that is 100 units right there.
Rolls could add 300 units.
I did not see Lambo but give a guess 35-50 there. You pick the number as this is your specialty.
I am not sure if Bentley can get you up to $350K.
Another 25 for Maybach and you could have 500 total for the year.
For additional consideration, what about the MB gull wing? There should be some activity there.
I did not see any Aston numbers so a couple of dozen there to count for the sake of it.
The LFA will add 80 units per year to the US market starting in 2011 and continue for the 25 month production run (the last cars hitting the streets in 2013. When the term buyers is used, keep that as folks who make a transaction during the year. Lots of folks look at stuff and plan purchases. The LFA buying process was created to have stages and kind of chug along. 170 of us will get a you have reached go signal. For the folks that take a pass or fail the credit hoo hah, some of the remaining 230 plus US folks will get a call till the 170 are spoken for.
03-27-10, 08:51 PM
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Hi Tommy,
I located the table in this link
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/pag...autosales.html
It looks like Ferrari will do 1000 units plus or minus for the year. If 10% are 599s and 612s that is 100 units right there.
Rolls could add 300 units.
I did not see Lambo but give a guess 35-50 there. You pick the number as this is your specialty.
I am not sure if Bentley can get you up to $350K.
Another 25 for Maybach and you could have 500 total for the year.
For additional consideration, what about the MB gull wing? There should be some activity there.
I did not see any Aston numbers so a couple of dozen there to count for the sake of it.
The LFA will add 80 units per year to the US market starting in 2011 and continue for the 25 month production run (the last cars hitting the streets in 2013. When the term buyers is used, keep that as folks who make a transaction during the year. Lots of folks look at stuff and plan purchases. The LFA buying process was created to have stages and kind of chug along. 170 of us will get a you have reached go signal. For the folks that take a pass or fail the credit hoo hah, some of the remaining 230 plus US folks will get a call till the 170 are spoken for.
I located the table in this link
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/pag...autosales.html
It looks like Ferrari will do 1000 units plus or minus for the year. If 10% are 599s and 612s that is 100 units right there.
Rolls could add 300 units.
I did not see Lambo but give a guess 35-50 there. You pick the number as this is your specialty.
I am not sure if Bentley can get you up to $350K.
Another 25 for Maybach and you could have 500 total for the year.
For additional consideration, what about the MB gull wing? There should be some activity there.
I did not see any Aston numbers so a couple of dozen there to count for the sake of it.
The LFA will add 80 units per year to the US market starting in 2011 and continue for the 25 month production run (the last cars hitting the streets in 2013. When the term buyers is used, keep that as folks who make a transaction during the year. Lots of folks look at stuff and plan purchases. The LFA buying process was created to have stages and kind of chug along. 170 of us will get a you have reached go signal. For the folks that take a pass or fail the credit hoo hah, some of the remaining 230 plus US folks will get a call till the 170 are spoken for.
Rolls won't likely do 300 units on the Phantom or near that. They will with the Ghost, but that's below $350k. Again there is no breakout. I tried to look at a past month to see if that gave some insight, but it didn't as demand for the Coupe and Drophead seem headed south. The local dealer just pulled out of the market entirely so it's a guess.
Lambo is about right on your numbers at the moment.
Bentley, I didn't add because they don't have anything that reaches that price point just yet but they will soon. I didn't know how to factor it and I'm guessing it will be slow to ramp up so I just lumped it with the others.
Maybach is a question mark and I had the same number even though they are stopping production. I tried to make up for other variables.
This is why I ramped my guess up to an absorption of 300 cars in the $350k plus range rather than the 176 cars I hit with my original total. I was trying to cover those unknowns and be reasonable about it. I didn't have the MB gull wing on the list so add that. I've not read much about volumes for that car.
I lumped sales in one group because those people have to make the commitment now for those cars to be spoken for later, even though production could be two years out. Someone who's buying one has to still make the commitment, right? That's where I say hmmmm.
Someone here who works for some of these dealers may have better numbers to tighten it up.
03-28-10, 01:57 AM
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Great review, nice to hear how much they liked the car. Although, it's far from conclusive, since they tested a loaded pre-production model.
Also I've heard rumors that the LFA does indeed have launch control.
We shall see I guess.
Also I've heard rumors that the LFA does indeed have launch control.
We shall see I guess.
03-28-10, 06:33 AM
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I did a bit more hunting and found the 2009 RR sales numbers
http://www.carpages.co.uk/rolls_royc...s-11-01-10.asp
They sold 852 of the pricey ones in 09 and are sold out for the first 4 months of 10 on all models. With 33% of all cars going to the US, they will have over 300 of the $350K or more cars here.
The piece adds background to the ability of a well received new model to the brand. Regarding Ghost sales (the lower price point car), 85% of customers are new to the brand.
What I keep saying is many LFA customers own 0 exotics. The pricest car I have purchased to date is the $42K IS 350 I currently have.
Here is another interesting piece on the Rolls market internationally.
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....60/1005/TRAVEL
I would point to the activity in bespoke product, something the LFA is well positioned for. In Ferrari world you may be able to do bespoke but the best they can come up with for electronics is Bose. I am from MA and many of us have not love for their marketing first product second or third stuff.
http://www.carpages.co.uk/rolls_royc...s-11-01-10.asp
They sold 852 of the pricey ones in 09 and are sold out for the first 4 months of 10 on all models. With 33% of all cars going to the US, they will have over 300 of the $350K or more cars here.
The piece adds background to the ability of a well received new model to the brand. Regarding Ghost sales (the lower price point car), 85% of customers are new to the brand.
What I keep saying is many LFA customers own 0 exotics. The pricest car I have purchased to date is the $42K IS 350 I currently have.
Here is another interesting piece on the Rolls market internationally.
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....60/1005/TRAVEL
I would point to the activity in bespoke product, something the LFA is well positioned for. In Ferrari world you may be able to do bespoke but the best they can come up with for electronics is Bose. I am from MA and many of us have not love for their marketing first product second or third stuff.
03-28-10, 03:34 PM
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I did a bit more hunting and found the 2009 RR sales numbers
http://www.carpages.co.uk/rolls_royc...s-11-01-10.asp
They sold 852 of the pricey ones in 09 and are sold out for the first 4 months of 10 on all models. With 33% of all cars going to the US, they will have over 300 of the $350K or more cars here.
The piece adds background to the ability of a well received new model to the brand. Regarding Ghost sales (the lower price point car), 85% of customers are new to the brand.
What I keep saying is many LFA customers own 0 exotics. The pricest car I have purchased to date is the $42K IS 350 I currently have.
Here is another interesting piece on the Rolls market internationally.
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....60/1005/TRAVEL
I would point to the activity in bespoke product, something the LFA is well positioned for. In Ferrari world you may be able to do bespoke but the best they can come up with for electronics is Bose. I am from MA and many of us have not love for their marketing first product second or third stuff.
http://www.carpages.co.uk/rolls_royc...s-11-01-10.asp
They sold 852 of the pricey ones in 09 and are sold out for the first 4 months of 10 on all models. With 33% of all cars going to the US, they will have over 300 of the $350K or more cars here.
The piece adds background to the ability of a well received new model to the brand. Regarding Ghost sales (the lower price point car), 85% of customers are new to the brand.
What I keep saying is many LFA customers own 0 exotics. The pricest car I have purchased to date is the $42K IS 350 I currently have.
Here is another interesting piece on the Rolls market internationally.
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....60/1005/TRAVEL
I would point to the activity in bespoke product, something the LFA is well positioned for. In Ferrari world you may be able to do bespoke but the best they can come up with for electronics is Bose. I am from MA and many of us have not love for their marketing first product second or third stuff.
I think the key difference is you measure the market based on deliveries and I'm measuring the market based on commitment date in this case. There are pros and cons to both. The unanswered question is if commitment to buy an LFA means that someone waiting two years buys or sells something else in anticipation of the arrival of the car. I try and find out from someone who'd know.
As for Bespoke, Lamborghini will do anything. There are some hideous cars as a result. For anyone considering anything customized, resale matters, even color matters. White will be a safe color with the LFA. I don't know about the others for that car. There are more white SVs than any other color and the last one just left the factory. I went with an off-white on my Phantom (Cornish White) because of resale considerations first when compared to the total number of cars on the market. At the time there were lots of black cars in inventory around the country and if I didn't like the car I'd be competing against that market.
03-29-10, 02:14 AM
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I did a bit more hunting and found the 2009 RR sales numbers
http://www.carpages.co.uk/rolls_royc...s-11-01-10.asp
They sold 852 of the pricey ones in 09 and are sold out for the first 4 months of 10 on all models. With 33% of all cars going to the US, they will have over 300 of the $350K or more cars here.
The piece adds background to the ability of a well received new model to the brand. Regarding Ghost sales (the lower price point car), 85% of customers are new to the brand.
What I keep saying is many LFA customers own 0 exotics. The pricest car I have purchased to date is the $42K IS 350 I currently have.
Here is another interesting piece on the Rolls market internationally.
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....60/1005/TRAVEL
I would point to the activity in bespoke product, something the LFA is well positioned for. In Ferrari world you may be able to do bespoke but the best they can come up with for electronics is Bose. I am from MA and many of us have not love for their marketing first product second or third stuff.
http://www.carpages.co.uk/rolls_royc...s-11-01-10.asp
They sold 852 of the pricey ones in 09 and are sold out for the first 4 months of 10 on all models. With 33% of all cars going to the US, they will have over 300 of the $350K or more cars here.
The piece adds background to the ability of a well received new model to the brand. Regarding Ghost sales (the lower price point car), 85% of customers are new to the brand.
What I keep saying is many LFA customers own 0 exotics. The pricest car I have purchased to date is the $42K IS 350 I currently have.
Here is another interesting piece on the Rolls market internationally.
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....60/1005/TRAVEL
I would point to the activity in bespoke product, something the LFA is well positioned for. In Ferrari world you may be able to do bespoke but the best they can come up with for electronics is Bose. I am from MA and many of us have not love for their marketing first product second or third stuff.
In the case of the Phantom, dealers were not allocated Ghosts unless they took so many of the other cars. They heavily discount one to get more of what sells. In the exotic community, we talk a lot to keep from falling into a trap. As an example, the 612's value drops like a stone and so does the 599, yet the Scud and 430 remain strong. You wouldn't know that walking into a showroom and while you may figure it out on Dupont or eBay Motors, other owners tell you who's sitting on what the longest.
03-29-10, 09:36 AM
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Supposedly Lexus has confirmed the Nurburgring Track Package:
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/official-...gring-package/
Official: Lexus LFA receives Nurburgring package
This is not new for 4WheelsNews readers as we already revealed the new car in this post, but this time Lexus officially introduced the Nurburgring package for the LFA supercar.
As you may know already, the new car was launched in order to celebrate the challenge of the Nurburgring 24 Hours race in May and offers a new performance package designed to appeal to customers seeking full-blooded track performance. The package includes a larger front spoiler, side fin-type spoilers and a new fixed rear wing.
With these components, Lexus says that both the handling and downforce are improved. The maximum power delivered by the impressive 4.8-liter V10 engine has been increased by 10bhp to more than 562bhp and gear shifts in the six-speed sequential transmission have been cut to just 0.15 seconds.
With these numbers, the car can sprint from 0 to 62 mph (100 km/h) in just 3.7 seconds while the top speed achieved is 202 mph (325 km/h).
Handling modifications include sports tuning of the suspension and mesh-type wheels shod with dedicated high-grip tires.
As we announced on Friday, in this post, only 50 LFA supercars will be available with the Nurburgring package while the total production will be limited to only 500 units.
This is not new for 4WheelsNews readers as we already revealed the new car in this post, but this time Lexus officially introduced the Nurburgring package for the LFA supercar.
As you may know already, the new car was launched in order to celebrate the challenge of the Nurburgring 24 Hours race in May and offers a new performance package designed to appeal to customers seeking full-blooded track performance. The package includes a larger front spoiler, side fin-type spoilers and a new fixed rear wing.
With these components, Lexus says that both the handling and downforce are improved. The maximum power delivered by the impressive 4.8-liter V10 engine has been increased by 10bhp to more than 562bhp and gear shifts in the six-speed sequential transmission have been cut to just 0.15 seconds.
With these numbers, the car can sprint from 0 to 62 mph (100 km/h) in just 3.7 seconds while the top speed achieved is 202 mph (325 km/h).
Handling modifications include sports tuning of the suspension and mesh-type wheels shod with dedicated high-grip tires.
As we announced on Friday, in this post, only 50 LFA supercars will be available with the Nurburgring package while the total production will be limited to only 500 units.
03-29-10, 12:42 PM
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LFA in the color RED
Hello Clublexus! Just wanted to share something I find while browsing YouTube. I am pretty sure no one has posted this footage yet, but it is an LFA in the color RED. In my opinion, I think it looks absolutely gorgeous and exotic. It is also nice to see the LFA in another color other than white and matte black.
Here is the video link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzrYrMk2po
Here is the video link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzrYrMk2po
