LFA Successor?
01-11-11, 07:37 PM
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LFA Successor?
Read this on WSJ page online- check it out...
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2.../?mod=yahoo_hs
Basically saying that after the LFA production ends, there will be another sports car! What this car will be is anyone's guess. But it seems that the article means there will be a car to take the LFA's place, maybe another limited edition car, maybe just another Supra. What do you guys think? Anyone heard anything? Will this be the 'hybrid supercar' Motortrend was speculating about? Something faster than the LFA? A Supra replacement? This is NOT talking of the FT-86! So what will it be?
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2.../?mod=yahoo_hs
Basically saying that after the LFA production ends, there will be another sports car! What this car will be is anyone's guess. But it seems that the article means there will be a car to take the LFA's place, maybe another limited edition car, maybe just another Supra. What do you guys think? Anyone heard anything? Will this be the 'hybrid supercar' Motortrend was speculating about? Something faster than the LFA? A Supra replacement? This is NOT talking of the FT-86! So what will it be?
01-11-11, 08:41 PM
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If I was a betting man, I would predict the following will happen in the next few years:
- an LFA successor, quite possibly a hybrid exotic supercar
- a spiritual successor to the Supra, quite possibly a production version of the FT-HS
Last but not least of course would be the FT-86 production model.
- an LFA successor, quite possibly a hybrid exotic supercar
- a spiritual successor to the Supra, quite possibly a production version of the FT-HS
Last but not least of course would be the FT-86 production model.
01-11-11, 09:52 PM
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LFA's extraordinary success could result in a successor. Again, it really needs to be a very high output V10 or so.
Exotic supercars and hybrids don't work together no matter what simply because sedated hybrids are exact opposite of what LFA is. Pure savage, loud and screaming personality.
If hybrid is really a must, there is only one way to do it and Porsche is leading the way - A screaming high-revving V8 that revs up to 10,300 rpm and a hybrid motor adds power bring the total output up to nearly 700 HP.
Exotic supercars and hybrids don't work together no matter what simply because sedated hybrids are exact opposite of what LFA is. Pure savage, loud and screaming personality.
If hybrid is really a must, there is only one way to do it and Porsche is leading the way - A screaming high-revving V8 that revs up to 10,300 rpm and a hybrid motor adds power bring the total output up to nearly 700 HP.
01-11-11, 11:24 PM
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LFA's extraordinary success could result in a successor. Again, it really needs to be a very high output V10 or so.
Exotic supercars and hybrids don't work together no matter what simply because sedated hybrids are exact opposite of what LFA is. Pure savage, loud and screaming personality.
If hybrid is really a must, there is only one way to do it and Porsche is leading the way - A screaming high-revving V8 that revs up to 10,300 rpm and a hybrid motor adds power bring the total output up to nearly 700 HP.
Exotic supercars and hybrids don't work together no matter what simply because sedated hybrids are exact opposite of what LFA is. Pure savage, loud and screaming personality.
If hybrid is really a must, there is only one way to do it and Porsche is leading the way - A screaming high-revving V8 that revs up to 10,300 rpm and a hybrid motor adds power bring the total output up to nearly 700 HP.
. Came out years ago, long before Porsche EVER raced hybrids. It was the world's first hybrid to win a race, and not just ANY race, but it was a 24 hour race in Japan. It had a curb weight of about 2400 lbs. Yes, you read that correctly, only about 2400 lbs and it was a hybrid too. The Supra HV-R had a 480 HP gas engine that combined with the electric motors produced a combined output of over 700 HP. One more thing, it sounded really great too for a hybrid!Also just to correct you, but Porsche's new 918 RSR makes 767 HP.
The Supra HV-R used capacitors instead of batteries to store energy. Porsche on its 911 GT3 R Hybrid and also I assume on its 918 RSR uses a flywheel to store energy instead of batteries, similar in theory to the capacitors used on the Supra HV-R.
01-12-11, 12:37 AM
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Toyota was definitely 'first' with the hybrid race car with that Supra. It doesn't get the recognition because it's not a Porsche or Ferrari, but those in the know like us, we know who the first was and who the leader in hybrid tech is, Toyota.
I'd bet on another limited edition car, maybe with 1000 or 2000 examples at a lesser price but a hybrid, or maybe another LFA but hybrid maybe same # of examples at a bit higher price, or around the same 350K-500K range. The LFA should determine this cars future.
I'd bet on another limited edition car, maybe with 1000 or 2000 examples at a lesser price but a hybrid, or maybe another LFA but hybrid maybe same # of examples at a bit higher price, or around the same 350K-500K range. The LFA should determine this cars future.
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01-12-11, 01:12 AM
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A little off-topic, but here is a video of the Supra HV-R. The sound is a little off, video quality is poor, but you get a very good idea of what the machine sounds like.
Who said hybrids can't sound and perform at extreme levels?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLs8n6pWsPE
Who said hybrids can't sound and perform at extreme levels?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLs8n6pWsPE
01-12-11, 07:35 AM
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Well, that is fine, but what I meant was Porsche is leading the way into production road-going hybrid true supercars with the 918, which soon will have a production variant.
A screaming 3.4 Liter V8 with 10,300 rpm rev limit + a hybrid motor is the way to do a proper exotic hybrid supercar.
A screaming 3.4 Liter V8 with 10,300 rpm rev limit + a hybrid motor is the way to do a proper exotic hybrid supercar.
You must have never heard of the Supra HV-R race car . Came out years ago, long before Porsche EVER raced hybrids. It was the world's first hybrid to win a race, and not just ANY race, but it was a 24 hour race in Japan. It had a curb weight of about 2400 lbs. Yes, you read that correctly, only about 2400 lbs and it was a hybrid too. The Supra HV-R had a 480 HP gas engine that combined with the electric motors produced a combined output of over 700 HP. One more thing, it sounded really great too for a hybrid!
Also just to correct you, but Porsche's new 918 RSR makes 767 HP.
The Supra HV-R used capacitors instead of batteries to store energy. Porsche on its 911 GT3 R Hybrid and also I assume on its 918 RSR uses a flywheel to store energy instead of batteries, similar in theory to the capacitors used on the Supra HV-R.
. Came out years ago, long before Porsche EVER raced hybrids. It was the world's first hybrid to win a race, and not just ANY race, but it was a 24 hour race in Japan. It had a curb weight of about 2400 lbs. Yes, you read that correctly, only about 2400 lbs and it was a hybrid too. The Supra HV-R had a 480 HP gas engine that combined with the electric motors produced a combined output of over 700 HP. One more thing, it sounded really great too for a hybrid!Also just to correct you, but Porsche's new 918 RSR makes 767 HP.
The Supra HV-R used capacitors instead of batteries to store energy. Porsche on its 911 GT3 R Hybrid and also I assume on its 918 RSR uses a flywheel to store energy instead of batteries, similar in theory to the capacitors used on the Supra HV-R.
01-12-11, 08:52 AM
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Well its been reported that Lexus is hard at work on an electric or hybrid supercar. Makes sense since Audi, BMW, Benz are working on theirs too as is Ferrari.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ports-car.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ports-car.html
01-12-11, 08:53 AM
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There's no LFA successor in the works - at least not according to Haruhiko Tanahashi. That doesn't mean that something won't happen in the next decade, but there is nothing being engineered now. According to him, it's also unlikely that Toyota will green light another LFA-style project in the near future.
Toyota's current focus as far as sport-oriented cars is trickling down technology to lower-priced offerings by making those technologies cheaper, such as with carbonfiber to reduce weight. Make no mistake about it, there is definitely a lot of movement within Toyota to make cars that are fun to drive - they just won't be on the scale of the LFA, at least not anytime soon.
Toyota's current focus as far as sport-oriented cars is trickling down technology to lower-priced offerings by making those technologies cheaper, such as with carbonfiber to reduce weight. Make no mistake about it, there is definitely a lot of movement within Toyota to make cars that are fun to drive - they just won't be on the scale of the LFA, at least not anytime soon.
01-12-11, 09:02 AM
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^^I agree. A lot of the top team just spent 8-10 years on the car, they are exhausted! No way they could jump right into another project.
However as many speculate, something below the LFA is very likely as well as what has been learned from the LFA.
However as many speculate, something below the LFA is very likely as well as what has been learned from the LFA.
01-12-11, 09:38 AM
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Well, that is fine, but what I meant was Porsche is leading the way into production road-going hybrid true supercars with the 918, which soon will have a production variant.
A screaming 3.4 Liter V8 with 10,300 rpm rev limit + a hybrid motor is the way to do a proper exotic hybrid supercar.
A screaming 3.4 Liter V8 with 10,300 rpm rev limit + a hybrid motor is the way to do a proper exotic hybrid supercar.
I'm willing to bet the production 918 will have a different gas motor in it.
01-12-11, 01:28 PM
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Yeah, that 3.4 V8 was basically the engine in the porsche spyder lmp2 car. nothing indicates this will be the production engine. Although I don't doubt it'll be powerful, but you don't get 560hp from 3.4 liters in natural aspirated street engines, that's unheard of. It's definitely the race engine.
Anyway, on topic... This was what the article said
But company officials say they will continue to manufacture some type of sports car after production of the limited edition, 500-unit Lexus LFA supercar winds down in two years. Executive vice president Takeshi Uchiyamada told The Wall Street Journal at the Detroit auto show that another sports car will enter the line-up after LFA production ends and struck a wistful note that the Supra line was not continued in the 2000s.
“Yes, we will do it,” he said, adding “We can’t just crank them out one after another like a normal model, but there needs to be consistency in production so you don’t get a situation like that with the Supra, which just died out altogether.”
So all of you saying they won't make another car after the LFA like it, are ignoring what he said. He's speaking of a model after the LFA, no one knows for sure what it will be, but there will be a sports car after the LFA, so in reasonable terms, a successor.
Also this is of note...
Speaking in an interview, Mr. Uchiyamada, Toyota’s global chief engineer, said that various ideas are under consideration to carry on the post-LFA sports car mantel, but that no formal decision to develop a new sports model has been made. “Some of our engineers are doing their own research, but it’s not on the official project schedule,” he said. “But if it were to be authorized, it could happen quickly.”
So like I said before, it seems this depends on the LFA, or what Akio and company think, and it seems that there is already ideas on the table fo the post LFA sports car. Just like he says, if it were decided, it could be done quickly. To me that sounds like all they need is the say so and it'd be done.
Anyway, on topic... This was what the article said
But company officials say they will continue to manufacture some type of sports car after production of the limited edition, 500-unit Lexus LFA supercar winds down in two years. Executive vice president Takeshi Uchiyamada told The Wall Street Journal at the Detroit auto show that another sports car will enter the line-up after LFA production ends and struck a wistful note that the Supra line was not continued in the 2000s.
“Yes, we will do it,” he said, adding “We can’t just crank them out one after another like a normal model, but there needs to be consistency in production so you don’t get a situation like that with the Supra, which just died out altogether.”
So all of you saying they won't make another car after the LFA like it, are ignoring what he said. He's speaking of a model after the LFA, no one knows for sure what it will be, but there will be a sports car after the LFA, so in reasonable terms, a successor.
Also this is of note...
Speaking in an interview, Mr. Uchiyamada, Toyota’s global chief engineer, said that various ideas are under consideration to carry on the post-LFA sports car mantel, but that no formal decision to develop a new sports model has been made. “Some of our engineers are doing their own research, but it’s not on the official project schedule,” he said. “But if it were to be authorized, it could happen quickly.”
So like I said before, it seems this depends on the LFA, or what Akio and company think, and it seems that there is already ideas on the table fo the post LFA sports car. Just like he says, if it were decided, it could be done quickly. To me that sounds like all they need is the say so and it'd be done.
01-12-11, 01:49 PM
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Toyota is just being traditionally silent and non-committal on future products.
Akio Toyoda is serious about fun and sporty cars, so that's why I remain confident we will eventually get an LFA successor, along with a Supra successor.
Akio Toyoda is serious about fun and sporty cars, so that's why I remain confident we will eventually get an LFA successor, along with a Supra successor.