Lexus LFA@ BMW M Fest
05-05-11, 09:50 AM
#16
I think the chassis/body of the M1 was done by Lambo, Lambo did a lot of the assembly too, but at the time Italian assembly was really sloppy, BMW wasn't happy with the work, so all the cars were shipped back to BMW to fixed everything that is wrong with it. Then of course BMW supply the engine/tranny and all mechanicals. At the end though, it is still BMW's project, it was sold by BMW with a BMW badge on it. I see it as a genuine BMW.
A friend of mine own a M1, that's why I hear all these random facts about it
05-05-11, 10:08 AM
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Like I said, I'm just guessing as to why the statement was said- I consider it a BMW, just like I consider the McLaren F1, a McLaren, even though it's got a BMW engine.
05-05-11, 01:13 PM
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Not everything. The brakes were built by Brembo and the engine development had a very strong involvement of Yamaha in it.
05-05-11, 02:18 PM
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The LFA is majorly an in house, Lexus engineered project. My point is that the M1, was not. It wasn't meant to make less of BMW, or Lambo or the M1, just felt the need to point it out. the M1 is also, no longer in production, decades now in fact. So whoever pointed out that BMW, currently has NOTHING in it's class in their portfolio, is still correct.
I don't hear you griping an moaning when people claim Toyota doesn't know how to make sports cars anymore....
05-05-11, 06:54 PM
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Guys, knock off the personal comments or exit this thread please. Keep the post on the vehicles being discussed.
OP, I'll assume you got permission from the photographer as requested in his watermark.
OP, I'll assume you got permission from the photographer as requested in his watermark.
05-05-11, 08:31 PM
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Actually, I did not.
I put link to his website first before the pictures. Should I take out the pictures from the thread?
I put link to his website first before the pictures. Should I take out the pictures from the thread?
05-06-11, 06:26 AM
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I'd suggest shooting him and email to ask if your limited, non commercial /discussion use here is OK
05-06-11, 07:30 AM
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05-06-11, 01:24 PM
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BMW has nothing now and has never made a road car that can compete with the LFA which is actually kind of ironic considering their tremendous heritage and racing history which Lexus cannot match. Their highest performing car is what the M5/M6 or maybe Z8? What I said was meant as no disrespect to the M1 , a car I am well aware of.
The M1 30 years ago didn't compete with the top supercars and exotics at the time in regards to performance either. It didn't even make 300hp in the road car (race versions had much more HP though)...it was a fantastic car, very rare (less than 500 sold) built for racing and then built for the street.. It was a RWD, mid engine, I-6. Ferrari and Lambo had much larger engines at the time.
Ok I got that point, I just don't know how that fact have anything to do with what I was saying.
1SICKLEX said BMW never had any product at the LFA level.
I said they did, is the M1.
MR_F1 said the M1 should be consider as a Lambo.
Is that mean I am wrong to say BMW had a M1 that is at the similar level as the LFA because the M1 is actually a Lamboghini? But the M1 got a BMW engine/tranny and all mechanical though, only the chassis and body was made by Lamborghini, but the final assembly was done by BMW.
1SICKLEX said BMW never had any product at the LFA level.
I said they did, is the M1.
MR_F1 said the M1 should be consider as a Lambo.
Is that mean I am wrong to say BMW had a M1 that is at the similar level as the LFA because the M1 is actually a Lamboghini? But the M1 got a BMW engine/tranny and all mechanical though, only the chassis and body was made by Lamborghini, but the final assembly was done by BMW.
Construction was farmed out to two other Italian firms: Marchesi, for the multi-tube chassis, and Trasformazione Italiana Resina, for the fiberglass body. Final assembly was shifted to Baur, the German coachbuilder long associated with BMW
They were originally contracted to build it but b/c Lambo was broke and a mess of a company at the time and had to back out.
It was a high 5/low 6 second car with a low to mid 14 second 1/4 mile time. The engine puts out about 80hp per liter compared to what 120+ for the LFA? I said PERFORMANCE. Note how we have seen the LFA compete against the AUDI R8 and the Mercedes SLS. Again BMW has NOTHING to offer here, which is ironic since they are seen as the sportiest luxury brand.
I honestly think we shouldn't compare them b/c the M1 at the time was special and has its place in history secured. 30 years have passed and the 1M is a chipped 1 series coupe with no 1M on the horizon. The hybrid "Vision" concept seems to be their new supercar/halo car coming.
05-06-11, 01:35 PM
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i am not sure if i will give 1m less credit though. a lot of cars are faster than the f40 too, i don't think anyone would deny how legendary and important f40 is. it's almost like saying MJ can't play with kobe now but MJ is still one of the best who have ever played the game. we have to look at the era when the car(s) appeared, and when it came, 1m was quite something
05-06-11, 01:43 PM
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i am not sure if i will give 1m less credit though. a lot of cars are faster than the f40 too, i don't think anyone would deny how legendary and important f40 is. it's almost like saying MJ can't play with kobe now but MJ is still one of the best who have ever played the game. we have to look at the era when the car(s) appeared, and when it came, 1m was quite something
I am sure you meant M1, that was exactly what I was talking about.
I misunderstood 1SICKLEX, I thought he meant BMW never had a car at the same level of exotic-ness as the LFA in the history of cars........the M1 at the time when it came out, was about the same level as the LFA today. That was my point. I apologize if I offended anyone
Of course if you are solely talking about performance, then yes BMW don't have such a car yet. The highest performance car BMW ever made that never made it to production was the M8 with that Mclaren F1's V12 in it, but even that car don't have the same level of performance as the LFA. It got an exotic engine, but no exotic chassis.
05-06-11, 02:00 PM
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BMW has nothing now and has never made a road car that can compete with the LFA which is actually kind of ironic considering their tremendous heritage and racing history which Lexus cannot match. Their highest performing car is what the M5/M6 or maybe Z8? What I said was meant as no disrespect to the M1 , a car I am well aware of.
The M1 30 years ago didn't compete with the top supercars and exotics at the time in regards to performance either. It didn't even make 300hp in the road car (race versions had much more HP though)...it was a fantastic car, very rare (less than 500 sold) built for racing and then built for the street.. It was a RWD, mid engine, I-6. Ferrari and Lambo had much larger engines at the time.
Actually Lambo didn't built it but this thing is pretty Italian. The body is very traditonal wedge shape Guigario at the time with BMW insisiting on the kidney grills to relate it to BMW. It really was a car born out of racing.
They were originally contracted to build it but b/c Lambo was broke and a mess of a company at the time and had to back out.
They were originally contracted to build it but b/c Lambo was broke and a mess of a company at the time and had to back out.
It was a high 5/low 6 second car with a low to mid 14 second 1/4 mile time. The engine puts out about 80hp per liter compared to what 120+ for the LFA? I said PERFORMANCE. Note how we have seen the LFA compete against the AUDI R8 and the Mercedes SLS. Again BMW has NOTHING to offer here, which is ironic since they are seen as the sportiest luxury brand.
I honestly think we shouldn't compare them b/c the M1 at the time was special and has its place in history secured. 30 years have passed and the 1M is a chipped 1 series coupe with no 1M on the horizon. The hybrid "Vision" concept seems to be their new supercar/halo car coming.
05-06-11, 02:30 PM
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Wait, M1 or 1M? I take 1M as that 135i M thing.......M1 is that old Lambo thing
I am sure you meant M1, that was exactly what I was talking about.
I misunderstood 1SICKLEX, I thought he meant BMW never had a car at the same level of exotic-ness as the LFA in the history of cars........the M1 at the time when it came out, was about the same level as the LFA today. That was my point. I apologize if I offended anyone
Of course if you are solely talking about performance, then yes BMW don't have such a car yet. The highest performance car BMW ever made that never made it to production was the M8 with that Mclaren F1's V12 in it, but even that car don't have the same level of performance as the LFA. It got an exotic engine, but no exotic chassis.
I am sure you meant M1, that was exactly what I was talking about.
I misunderstood 1SICKLEX, I thought he meant BMW never had a car at the same level of exotic-ness as the LFA in the history of cars........the M1 at the time when it came out, was about the same level as the LFA today. That was my point. I apologize if I offended anyone
Of course if you are solely talking about performance, then yes BMW don't have such a car yet. The highest performance car BMW ever made that never made it to production was the M8 with that Mclaren F1's V12 in it, but even that car don't have the same level of performance as the LFA. It got an exotic engine, but no exotic chassis.
What M8? That as not a production car. 850 CSI was but it was not an "M" modeli am not sure if i will give 1m less credit though. a lot of cars are faster than the f40 too, i don't think anyone would deny how legendary and important f40 is. it's almost like saying MJ can't play with kobe now but MJ is still one of the best who have ever played the game. we have to look at the era when the car(s) appeared, and when it came, 1m was quite something
I wish someone would just one day call the gotdamn cars the BMW I have a Name or the Lexus MY NAME IS