Will be coming back to an LS after my 2002 ES300 fiasco
#16
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#18
other guys here can comment on this, I know it is drive by wire, below is a quote from user anarchyx34
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls4...e-by-wire.html
"It is drive by wire, just that everything's built into the throttle body as one unit instead of how it's normally done with an electronic throttle pedal (accelerator pos. sensor). The sensor is on the left side of the throttle body where the throttle cable connects to it, and the motor is on the right side of it.
One nifty feature of this setup that I've never seen on any other DBW setup is that if the gas is pressed more than 3/4 of the way, the throttle is mechanically opened up to 1/4 of the way. It's a failsafe that in case the DBW system fails you can still drive under limited power. Pretty cool.\
Another thing you'll notice is if you drive it in "snow" mode, the throttle response is slowed waaay down. This isn't possible without DBW."
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls4...e-by-wire.html
"It is drive by wire, just that everything's built into the throttle body as one unit instead of how it's normally done with an electronic throttle pedal (accelerator pos. sensor). The sensor is on the left side of the throttle body where the throttle cable connects to it, and the motor is on the right side of it.
One nifty feature of this setup that I've never seen on any other DBW setup is that if the gas is pressed more than 3/4 of the way, the throttle is mechanically opened up to 1/4 of the way. It's a failsafe that in case the DBW system fails you can still drive under limited power. Pretty cool.\
Another thing you'll notice is if you drive it in "snow" mode, the throttle response is slowed waaay down. This isn't possible without DBW."
#19
About the tranny/driving/DBW problem...so if you have read up on the issue, you would know that it's really never an issue until you do stop and go traffic or mostly city driving. I did not incur any stop and on on my test drives and went 5 miles on the highway and some inner city driving only before concluding it drove nicely and therefore thought my unit was problem free until my 30 minute bumper to bumper commute the next day. How wrong I was.
What is that saying?... It was so great, until it wasn't.
Last edited by Patsum; 03-26-12 at 10:20 AM.
#20
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http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2919799050.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2883279149.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2902473065.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ctd/2869886985.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2869984884.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2918883807.html
last but not least:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2849498771.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2919799050.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2883279149.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2902473065.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ctd/2869886985.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2869984884.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2918883807.html
last but not least:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2849498771.html
#22
I felt the same way about my 01' Avalon that I bought, modded, and drove for a year. It only had 45k miles so it felt great because it was hardly broken in. Once I put it all in perspective I wasnt satisfied with a 'luxury' FWD platform. Then when I got into the 99' it was night & day difference. Now I look back, all I miss is cheap gas with good mileage, great interior & trunk space. Nothing else !
#23
make no mistake, the throttle body is motor actuated.
#24
ok take a look:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2919799050.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2883279149.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2902473065.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ctd/2869886985.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2869984884.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2918883807.html
last but not least:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2849498771.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2919799050.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2883279149.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2902473065.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ctd/2869886985.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2869984884.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2918883807.html
last but not least:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/2849498771.html
If I need to look for an LS, I'm going to call you up.
Patsum-though far, some of these fair weather models are worth the plane ticket. So. Cal has good choices but I told the wife if the local hunt was not turning up choices, I'd fly. A buddy yesterday drove to Vegas to pick up a 2-GS 400.
#25
the '98-00 LS400 (as all VVTi UZ series engines) has a Drive-by-Wire throttle setup. there is a cable connecting the pedal to the throttle body but it only actuates the last 20% of the throttle body, effectively being a way to limp the car around if something in the DBW system fails completely.
make no mistake, the throttle body is motor actuated.
make no mistake, the throttle body is motor actuated.
#27
After 2006 the whole lexus line was a joke,the es shares the same drive train as a camry so go figure, the lx570 is a sequoia. The lexus line plummeted with the economy in those days. I sure do miss the good ol days of the lexus line up, mainly 1990 to 2000 all except the ES.
Then in 2001 they put limiters so you cant go pass 130 and a silly electric drive by wire.
Remember the 1990 Lexus LS400 was part of a billion dollar plan and it succeeded big time. 1 billion dollars in 1990 is equivalent to 10 billion dollars these days at least. the new gs JOKE the new ls JOKE,es JOKE,lx JOKE.rx BIG JOKE, no offense to anyone but just my opinion.
Then in 2001 they put limiters so you cant go pass 130 and a silly electric drive by wire.
Remember the 1990 Lexus LS400 was part of a billion dollar plan and it succeeded big time. 1 billion dollars in 1990 is equivalent to 10 billion dollars these days at least. the new gs JOKE the new ls JOKE,es JOKE,lx JOKE.rx BIG JOKE, no offense to anyone but just my opinion.
#29
there's so much to cover that I bolded my responses, point by point.
yes, it is your opinion, and you are welcome to it. I just fail to see how your feelings about Lexus' current offerings is relevant to this thread discussing the merits of a 9 year old Lexus to a 12-14 year old Lexus...
After 2006 the whole lexus line was a joke,the es shares the same drive train as a camry so go figure, the lx570 is a sequoia. The ES line has ALWAYS shared the V6 camry drivetrain and basic chassis, from 1989. The LX has NEVER shared a chassis with the Sequoia, and is actually kin to the Toyota Landcruiser.
The lexus line plummeted with the economy in those days. I sure do miss the good ol days of the lexus line up, mainly 1990 to 2000 all except the ES. The Japanese automotive export economy actually tanked in the mid '90s due to the rising yen, but whatever....
Then in 2001 they put limiters so you cant go pass 130 and a silly electric drive by wire.
Drive-by-wire was introduced starting in '98 on the LS/GS/SC/LX lineup, maybe more. Speed limiters were in place before '01 depending on the model lexus you had, usually it was tire dependent. LS/GS/SC had 150mph limiters since they left the factory with V-rated tires. in '01 Lexus started sending these vehicles out with H-rated tires IIRC. That is questionable however, though I fail to see how a lowered speed limiter that is double the speed limit in most areas is a huge negative.
Remember the 1990 Lexus LS400 was part of a billion dollar plan and it succeeded big time. 1 billion dollars in 1990 is equivalent to 10 billion dollars these days at least. Firstly, Toyota invested that over about 7-10 years, starting in the early 80s. Secondly, the CPI has changed by a factor of ~2.5-2.7 since that time, so at most it's equivalent to an approximately $2.7 Billion investment today, not including cost savings from far more advanced computer systems and higher overall efficiency.
the new gs JOKE the new ls JOKE,es JOKE,lx JOKE.rx BIG JOKE, no offense to anyone but just my opinion.
The lexus line plummeted with the economy in those days. I sure do miss the good ol days of the lexus line up, mainly 1990 to 2000 all except the ES. The Japanese automotive export economy actually tanked in the mid '90s due to the rising yen, but whatever....
Then in 2001 they put limiters so you cant go pass 130 and a silly electric drive by wire.
Drive-by-wire was introduced starting in '98 on the LS/GS/SC/LX lineup, maybe more. Speed limiters were in place before '01 depending on the model lexus you had, usually it was tire dependent. LS/GS/SC had 150mph limiters since they left the factory with V-rated tires. in '01 Lexus started sending these vehicles out with H-rated tires IIRC. That is questionable however, though I fail to see how a lowered speed limiter that is double the speed limit in most areas is a huge negative.
Remember the 1990 Lexus LS400 was part of a billion dollar plan and it succeeded big time. 1 billion dollars in 1990 is equivalent to 10 billion dollars these days at least. Firstly, Toyota invested that over about 7-10 years, starting in the early 80s. Secondly, the CPI has changed by a factor of ~2.5-2.7 since that time, so at most it's equivalent to an approximately $2.7 Billion investment today, not including cost savings from far more advanced computer systems and higher overall efficiency.
the new gs JOKE the new ls JOKE,es JOKE,lx JOKE.rx BIG JOKE, no offense to anyone but just my opinion.