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Hey fellas, i am having issues with my '96 ls400, I'm beginning to think it may be an ECU problem. Just wondering what you all might think it is, or if anyone has had similar problems, and repairing the capacitors has solved it or not.
My 1uz has been running great the past thousand miles, (a little over a thousand miles back i did a timing belt/water pump replacement) and had 0 issues. Out of nowhere yesterday my car wouldn't start. it would crank, but wouldn't start until i gave it a healthy shot of starting fluid, and it fired right up and ran fine. Couldn't think of what might have been the problem. Fast forward about 2 hours, on the highway, my cruise control starts acting a little funny, the rpms began to dip and go back up, and started to lose power. i pulled into the nearest gas station and it was still doing this sputtering and rpm fluctuation thing. i left it at the gas station and came back for it that evening and it wouldn't start even with starting fluid this time. Towed it home and now this morning it started right up with no problems at all and not sputtering or anything. At first i thought this was maybe a fuel pump issue, but now thinking it may be the ECU? I noticed this thread about a year ago and was wondering when mine would start acting up. This seemed to sneak up on me though. I can't pinpoint what it could be and unfortunately don't have money to throw at it right now. Any advice or opinions on if this is an ECU problem or not, would be helpful. thanks.
and my apologies if there would have been a better thread to put my sob story in
Based on my own experience, if the ECU has never been refurbished, you should pull it, open it (carefully) and have a look. Pictures will tell a thousand words. It’s accessible via the interior of the car kind of behind / under the glove box.
Had codes for individual cylinder misfire and solenoid e shift solenoid. Sea foamed the car a while ago and never replaced the plugs after treatment. So I figured I would replace the plugs. Codes came right back. These code were intermittent for about a year. I replaced the P/S air control valve thinking that was it. Funny thing after I swiped P/S valve, no more misfire, until two weeks ago. Parked it and now I'm into the ECU. Sure enough caps are leaking. Ordered from eBay so we shall see next week. 96 1UZFE
Last edited by Briguy861; 01-19-23 at 01:02 PM.
Reason: forgot
Is there a suggested service shop that will perform the recapping of my ECU and use the premium low-ESR capacitors recommended below? I've never soldered before and I'm not confident in my abilities to get it right on my first try.
Any feedback on where to go or how to handle this circumstance is greatly appreciated!
You can try Relentless Motorsports TX they are on Facebook. Also Tanin and a guy out there called the “Lexpert”. There are also various services on eBay but some of them are known to be crappy. I had mine done by a service called “ecmguru” on eBay in September of last year and all good so far. If I had it to do over I might just go to relentless even though more expensive he seems to know what he is doing.
Originally Posted by Pablos
Is there a suggested service shop that will perform the recapping of my ECU and use the premium low-ESR capacitors recommended below? I've never soldered before and I'm not confident in my abilities to get it right on my first try.
Any feedback on where to go or how to handle this circumstance is greatly appreciated!
I have boxes of these ecu boards from when my dad died
Anyone need these ecu Send a message. My dad ran a training facility inAustralia and when he died I inherited a few boxes of boards. Got a few dozen left. He was actually training people to fix them at his work. I'll attach a photo. I'm rapt I finally know what cars they were for.
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*photo courtesy of distinguished Japanese ECU engineer Yamae
IMPORTANT: The capacitors may look perfectly fine and yet be bad, they look great at first, then deteriorate and cause damage to the ECU very quickly
MODELS/ENGINES AFFECTED:
This issue affects all Lexus & Toyota models with the following engines: 1JZ, 2JZ, 1KZ, 1UZ, 5E, 1G, 3S
The following are some of the models affected:
● Lexus LS400 - 1990-2000 (in 1997 and earlier models, the problem is extremely common)
● Lexus SC300 - 1993-2000
● Lexus SC400 - 1992-2000
● Lexus GS300 - 1993-1996
● Toyota Celica GT - 1985 -1998
● Toyota Supra Mark III (JDM) - 1986-1993
● Toyota Supra GT - 1995-1997
● Toyota Supra Mark IV - 1993-2002
● Toyota Supra Twin Turbo - 1993-2002
● Toyota MR2 - 1990-1999
● Toyota Camry - 1987-2001
● Toyota Soarer - 1992-2000
● Toyota Aristo - 1993-1996
● Toyota Celsior - 1990-2000
SYMPTOMS:
Please understand that any one of these symptoms can be a sign of ECU capacitors beginning to fail. - You do not need all or most of them to have this issue!
Your ECU capacitors are strongly suspected if you have at least one of the following intermittent issues on your Lexus or Toyota:
● problems in getting into diagnostic mode or scanner says "no communication"
● random dropping into "limp home" mode
● weird shifting problems
● OBD port is unresponsive, seems dead
● throwing random fault codes
● engine won't rev out/rev limits at 2000 or less rpm
● engine runs like crap, then suddenly runs fine again
● random not starting or cutting out
● low idle or erratic idle
● often very hard to start, requires starting fluid
● transmission will not automatically shift, only manual shift is possible
● transmission jerks from 1st to 2nd gear, and kinda slips from 2nd to 3rd
● no A/C compressor operation
● idle speed rolling up and down, or sometimes too low and sometimes too high
● speedometer not working reliably
● speed (cruise) control not working
● tachometer not working sometimes
● air bag light flickering intermittently
● A/C going into reset with flashing front defog light (front defog light typically flashing 10 times)
● check engine light on sometimes, but no codes stored, often in concert with ECT light
● ECU not communicating with scanners or not displaying codes with jumper installed
● bad sulfur exhaust smell in concert with not running right above
I was actually experiencing several of these symptoms including ECU not wanting to communicate!
So, with no engine diagnostic codes to work with, I checked all of the grounds, voltages and other obvious causes, and then in a MacGyver-Steve Jobs moment of insight, I decided it must be the electrolytic capacitors inside the ECU, which had appeared fine in an earlier inspection a few months earlier when the problems began. I suspected it was the capacitors because I discovered this problem back in the 1990's on Nissan 300ZX and the Mitsubishi DSM models. History just keeps repeating itself! - It was also bound to be ECU-related, because this diverse set of issues has only on thing in common - the ECU!
sure enough, upon re-inspection, the corrosive leakage was very bad, so bad that the main circuit board could barely be saved!, I replaced all 6 electrolytic capacitors, and now every single problem listed above is gone! - and the engine also seems to have more low end power than it had even before the symptoms above appeared!
if you recognize ANY of these symptoms listed above, bad ECU capacitors are a likely culprit!
I now believe any Lexus over 12 years old would greatly benefit from having ALL 6, 8, or 10 electrolytic capacitors in the ECU replaced with high quality new ones! - these were not part of a defective batch, but rather a quaternary ammonium salt capacitor issue, as explained by world-renowned ECU engineer Yamae in post #8 below. (we are very lucky to have him here at Club Lexus!)
this is NOT something a junkyard computer would solve, it is an age and sitting up problem, a junkyard ECU would have the same issues.
IMPORTANT: It is critical that you use the exact premium Japanese low ESR capacitors I have linked to below in the recommended capacitors section, even if you are having someone else do the work, the correct capacitors are very rare type and they will not have them locally - if they use other capacitors, the repair will not solve the problems you are having!
the power difference alone makes it worth doing, and just because an electrolytic capacitor looks good, doesn't mean it is - 93-97 LS models are showing up with this capacitor issue in particularly high numbers and other models such as SC model are showing up in high number on even earlier years such as 1992, this also affects the 2JZ and other Toyota engines!
a new ECU would also solve the problem, those cost $2400 at the dealership, the parts I used to make mine just like a new one are less than $20 delivered from Digi-Key - and it is important to order from an authorized dealer of these great capacitor brands in order to avoid counterfeits - so FORGET EBAY, AMAZON, ETC.
make sure you use 105C rated low ESR caps from the 4 reputable Japanese capacitor companies Rubycon, Nippon Chemi-con, Panasonic & Nichicon
it is CRITICAL that the replacement caps be low ESR type and from one of the brands listed above - don't cheap out on your vital ECU!
WARNING - DANGER: this is not a good first-time soldering project, the existing capacitor removal and associated desoldering, cleaning, inspection, soldering and re-inspection is involved and is in some very tight places, you must be experienced at soldering and pretty good at it, or else you need to locate someone who is very experienced at soldering, and then you should buy the special capacitors this job requires, and then let him or her do the operation of replacing them - the NipponDenso ECU in your LS400 is a delicate piece of very expensive electronics. If you wouldn't feel comfortable taking apart a laptop computer and getting it back together successfully, then you probably do not want to be doing the electronic portion of this repair.
If you need further advice on recapping, you can post here in this thread!
which caps you need and how many depends on the year model of your LS400
I would advise you pull the ECU and verify the cap values before ordering, to make sure. You can reinstall the ECU in 5 minutes (leave the lower glove compartment out for now) and you can drive the car until the caps arrive in the mail from DigiKey (normally just a couple of days)
WARNING: You must use premium Japanese low-ESR capacitors for this repair to be successful, this kind of capacitor is very rare, they do not stock it locally, you must order it from the links below!
1990-92 LS400 needs 10 or 11 caps as follows:
Qty. 3 of 10μF - 50v
Qty. 2 of 15μF - 35v
Qty. 3 of 47μF - 63v
Qty. 2 of 100μF - 10v
Qty. 1 of 220μF - 16v
1993-94 LS400 needs 8 caps as follows:
Qty. 2 of 10μF - 50v
Qty. 2 of 15μF - 35v
Qty. 1 of 47μF - 63v
Qty. 2 of 100μF - 10v
Qty. 1 of 220μF - 16v
1995-97 LS400 needs 6 caps as follows:
Qty. 2 of 10uF - 50v
Qty. 1 of 47uF - 63v
Qty. 2 of 100uF - 10v
Qty. 1 of 220uF - 16v
1998-2000 LS400 needs 11 caps as follows:
Qty. 2 of 10μF - 50V
Qty. 3 of 47μF - 63V
Qty. 2 of 100μF - 10V
Qty. 1 of 220μF - 16V
Qty. 1 of 33μF - 35V
Qty. 1 of 47μF - 25V (special BP capacitor) - high reliability capacitor, replacement recommended but not critical
Qty. 1 of 330μF - 35V - high reliability capacitor, replacement recommended but not critical
1998 and up owners: you can replace the capacitors of your original ECU without affecting security and the theft deterrent system, but keep in mind that if you get another ECU say from ebay or a junkyard, it will have to be reprogrammed by the dealership or a better locksmith before your car will start with any ECU that is not the original one that came with your car!
WARNING: You must use premium Japanese low-ESR, high temperature, long life, high ripple rejection capacitors for this repair to be successful, this kind of capacitor is very rare, they do not stock it locally, you must order it from the links below!
~~~ CURRENTLY RECOMMENDED CAPACITORS: ~~~
DANGER! - Will Robinson - COUNTERFEIT capacitors are a SERIOUS EPIDEMIC - make damn sure your capacitors come from the factory authorized sources below, those capacitors you found a deal on, on ebay or elsewhere online are very likely FAKES! - most premium Japanese capacitors in the United States are shipped from three principle distributors: Digi-Key, Mouser, and Newark Electronics. Anywhere else is likely a questionable source!
(this list is dynamic and will be updated as Yamae & I find additional good candidates and rule out others)
(recommendations are based on USA availability - the best capacitor made does us no good if it is not readily available)
the voltages specified in the recommended caps below are sometimes higher than the originals, this is a good thing!
the one to get in 10uF is the 50V Chemi-con KZE EKZE500ELL100ME07D - if sold out, use alternate factory authorized source here: EKZE500ELL100ME07D
in the 47uF - the favorite is the 100V Chemi-con KZE EKZE101ELL470MJC5S (sometimes sold out)
also very good is the 100V Panasonic FC EEU-FC2A470
also very good is the 63V Panasonic FR EEU-FR1J470B
* Rubycon ZLJ 63ZLJ47M6-3X11
in the 47uF special BP - the 35V Nichicon EP UEP1V470MPD
also fine is the 50V Nichicon EP UEP1H470MPD
~~~>>> special thanks to world class ECU engineer Yamae from Japan <<<~~~
who got me thinking about how ECU's operate in my head, which lead to this breakthrough! (and also thanks to TV character MacGyver, it's what he would have done!)
no one understands Toyota ECU operation and design on Club Lexus anywhere in the same league with our special Japanese guest Yamae!
just consider him a guest expert ECU engineer from Nippon Denso, and you wouldn't be far off.
ECU removal:
always disconnect the negative battery cable before disconnecting or reconnecting an ECU
beware: there is at least one hidden bolt inside the lower glove box behind a secret panel (not joking about this) the diagram below will help, but it can be a little tricky to get the lower glove box out the first time, just keep at it, and you eventually will locate all of the fasteners
WARNING - DANGER: this is not a good first-time soldering project, the existing capacitor removal and associated desoldering, cleaning, inspection, soldering and re-inspection is involved and is in some very tight places, you must be experienced at soldering and pretty good at it, or else you need to locate someone who is very experienced at soldering, and then you should buy the special capacitors this job requires, and then let him or her do the operation of replacing them - the NipponDenso ECU in your LS400 is a delicate piece of very expensive electronics. If you wouldn't feel comfortable taking apart a laptop computer and getting it back together successfully, then you probably do not want to be doing the electronic portion of this repair.
I take NO responsibility for any damage you do to your ECU from any information you obtained from this post. DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! If you completely hose your ECU, don't come whining to the cowboy! Nor do I want it sent to me for repair! Untangling someone's 'handiwork' is more frustrating than battling the original problem! If you have any doubts about your skills, DON'T TRY THIS!! - If you do screw it up, it is not the end of the world, just purchase the same part number ECU on ebay from a high rated (99.5%+) seller for around $125 or so and find someone to do this cap replacement job who has experience.
Also - NEVER use 'cold heat' types of soldering irons!! They work off the principle of an ARC welder, and emit a current. This can instantly destroy your ECU board when contact is made. If a good soldering station is not available to you, a 40 watt solder pencil with a standard tip on it will work fine.
STEP-BY STEP REPAIR GUIDE
if you have patience and soldering skill, it's not too difficult!
here is what I did:
CAUTION: BE VERY GENTLE with flexing the 2 or 4 gray ribbon cables that connect the 2 mainboards - they will not tolerate rough handling! - they will take a normal amount of flex required to open up these boards flat for working on them, so you don't have to be a complete scaredy-cat!
parts/tools to round up:
the ECU carefully opened up (be gentle with the ribbon cables)
the new capacitors (you did procure the ones Yamae & I specified above, right?)
rosin core solder 63/37 (Radio Shack p/n 64-015 or equivalent)
rosin solder flux (Radio Shack p/n 64-022 or CAIG DeoxIT rosin flux p/n RSF-R80-2)
40+W soldering iron or soldering station, 75W max - no soldering guns! (Radio Shack p/n 64-2071 or equivalent)
● my favorite soldering station:
solder sucker (Radio Shack p/n 64-2060 or equivalent) another type that is also good is Radio Shack p/n 64-210 (some people find this a huge help, I don't use them but very rarely)
stainless steel safety pin or, if available, a stainless steel dentist's pick is also fine of the tip is straight and sharp like a needle
nail clippers or flush cutters (Xuron 9200 or similar)
91%+ isopropyl alcohol
baking soda
vinegar
distilled water
CAUTION: - static electricity can kill an ECU - some people wear anti-static wrist straps, but I find them a pain, here is a better plan and what I do in my electronic's bench: all 100% cotton clothing and bare feet!
FIRST: - take photos of what caps go where originally, plus make a DIAGRAM of cap sizes & placement!
1. - remove old caps using soldering iron heat or desoldering iron and a simultaneous back and forth tug after making diagram of values and placement, just keep tugging, they will come out
2. - gently brush areas of board where caps were using toothbrush with baking soda/water paste to remove any acid leakage residue
3. - wash area with vinegar to remove any caustic base damage
4 - inspect board copper traces to insure that they are still intact, it is OK if they are now a brighter copper color than surrounding traces, but severed or completely eaten away traces will require professional repairs and you are probably better off getting another ECU from a junkyard or ebay and replacing the caps in that one
5. - rinse board with distilled water to remove vinegar acetic acid
6. - rinse board twice with 91% isopropyl alcohol
7. - inspect desoldering job with loupe
8. - using medium large safety pin, re-make holes in desoldered pads in board to accommodate easy installation of leads of the new caps, heat up the solder pad, insert safety pin, let cool and the stainless safety pin will twist right out, leaving a perfect hole for new cap leads!
9. - solder in new caps, double checking polarity (+/- orientation) - use 63/37 rosin core solder, and get some rosin solder flux (I like Radio Shack p/n 64-022) and cover the solder area well - slather it all over where the new caps will be soldered - the new capacitors do not like extended heat, just get in and get out with the soldering iron, and make sure iron is ample wattage (like 40W+) - I do not like to apply heat for over 3-4 seconds at one time. Use LIBERAL amounts of the RS/CAIG rosin flux mentioned above in the parts list, this is the key to making the soldering process behave!
10. - trim leads on reverse side of board of each installed cap with clipper
11. - rewash board with 91% or higher isopropyl alcohol
12. - inspect soldering job with loupe
13. - blow compressed air to make sure no clipped leads or stray solder remain on board, use about 25 PSI or less, it's a circuit board, not a crankshaft!
14. - Once ECU is reinstalled into car and everything is reconnected, only then do you want to reconnect the negative battery terminal
15. - BEFORE cranking engine the first time, click the ignition switch over to the RUN position for 1 minute to let the other ECU components acquaint themselves with the new caps and let them precharge.
I am restoring ECU for my 1995 LS400 RHD. ECU P/N is 89661-50251. VIN is 1UZD544865.
Upon opening the ECU case, I found out that there are more capacitors than what this thread discusses so far and all of capacitors of mine were actually replaced before I looked into it . This thread stated that 1995-97 LS400 needs 6 caps as follows:
Qty. 2 of 10uF - 50v
Qty. 1 of 47uF - 63v
Qty. 2 of 100uF - 10v
Qty. 1 of 220uF - 16v
Therefore, I have some questions to make sure I work on correct path and with correct parts
1. Are these capacitors correct in terms of power and placements?
2. Those 22uF capacitors were replaced. I read other 3 95-97 LS400/Celsior cars used 15uF 35v. Can anyone please provide/confirm correct replacement specs?
I am restoring ECU for my 1995 LS400 RHD. ECU P/N is 89661-50251. VIN is 1UZD544865.
Upon opening the ECU case, I found out that there are more capacitors than what this thread discusses so far and all of capacitors of mine were actually replaced before I looked into it . This thread stated that 1995-97 LS400 needs 6 caps as follows:
Qty. 2 of 10uF - 50v
Qty. 1 of 47uF - 63v
Qty. 2 of 100uF - 10v
Qty. 1 of 220uF - 16v
Therefore, I have some questions to make sure I work on correct path and with correct parts
1. Are these capacitors correct in terms of power and placements?
2. Those 22uF capacitors were replaced. I read other 3 95-97 LS400/Celsior cars used 15uF 35v. Can anyone please provide/confirm correct replacement specs?
Thank you.
B.
Sorry that I don't know much about RHD LS400. A JDM Celsior's ECU for early UCF20/21 has more electrolytic capacitors than a USDM LHD LS400 has and I wonder there are some similarities with your RHD LS400. About a JDM early UCF20/21 Celsior's ECU, a gentleman from Holland named Dutchy was posting about those capacitors a decade ago, I remember. It's been sometime and I don't remember the detail but it may be useful for you to find that at this capacitors thread.
Pickup up a 1995 LS400 and replaced the 4 capacitors with the suggested low ESR Japanese suggested in this post. Unfortunately I am still seeing a P1600 code and the engine is still stumbling. I've verified the ECU 1 fuse is intact and the ECU is receiving 12V at it's corresponding pin. Any suggestions as to what I should check next? I suspect the issue resides in the ECU still.
Pickup up a 1995 LS400 and replaced the 4 capacitors with the suggested low ESR Japanese suggested in this post. Unfortunately I am still seeing a P1600 code and the engine is still stumbling. I've verified the ECU 1 fuse is intact and the ECU is receiving 12V at it's corresponding pin. Any suggestions as to what I should check next? I suspect the issue resides in the ECU still.
Only 4 capacitors? What about others?
Have you also checked load sides? The voltage regulator in the ECU is supplying the DC5.0V to others which are located at outside of the ECU. P1600 is often caused by too much current flow from the ECU's regulator to loads.
Based on what I found in this thread, some people stated:
1995 Celsior.
ECU Part # 89661-50241
The ECU has 9 Capacitors as follows:
C101 10uf 50v
C102 10uf 50v
C120 100uf 10v
C121 100uf 10v
C141 220uf 16v
C781 47uf 63v
C831 47uf 63v
C804 15uf 35v
C805 15uf 35v
LS400-UCF20L-AEPGKW/285
first time registered 9/1997 (Finland)
89661-50310 and caps that i spotted:
1x 220µF 16v
2x 47µF 63v
2x 100µF 10v
2x 15µF 35v (i need buy these) EKZE630ELL150ME11D
2x 10µF 50v
ECU 89661-50252, I found here 9 capacitors, I though I will find in my ECU 6 capacitors, because of the model year 1995
10v 100μF x2
35v 15μF x2
50v 10μF x2
63v 47μF x2
16v 220μF x1
Therefore, I assumed that mine is also similiar to theirs. I plan to purchase them this week though I browsed Mouser and Digikey found no Low ESR 15uF 35v/63V. Any suggestions are welcomed.
Pickup up a 1995 LS400 and replaced the 4 capacitors with the suggested low ESR Japanese suggested in this post. Unfortunately I am still seeing a P1600 code and the engine is still stumbling. I've verified the ECU 1 fuse is intact and the ECU is receiving 12V at it's corresponding pin. Any suggestions as to what I should check next? I suspect the issue resides in the ECU still.
This ended up being a broken trace below the capacitor that leaked onto the 12v trace.
Only 4 capacitors? What about others?
Have you also checked load sides? The voltage regulator in the ECU is supplying the DC5.0V to others which are located at outside of the ECU. P1600 is often caused by too much current flow from the ECU's regulator to loads.
P1600 was telling me the 12v ECU battery circuit wasn’t functioning properly - which was true. In my post above, you can see the bad capacitor leaked onto the incoming 12v signal and severed the connection.
It's been more than a decade since the thread was started back in 2012. Some of capacitors in the list at the post #1 are obsolete or not available easily. I have added some more capacitors a couple of years ago. Today I added an alternate of 10uF 50V Rubycon's ZLH 50ZLH10MEFC5X11. Thank you paulo57509 for the information.
Anybody have recommendations on rebuilding ECU for my 98? Drift motion appears to be in vacation. I also have the capacitors with me which I ordered in 2019 as a backup. Also in Austin TX
01-12-23, 09:52 AM
ECU Recapping - 1994 Lexus
