LS400 vs. LS430 reliabiity?
#31
i'm sure you can't go wrong with a 430 but my years of having my car have made me very partial to the 400. i love the low, sleek profile of it whereas the 430 is sort of rounded and bubbly which i don't like as much. don't like the interior as much either. all i know is my 1999 LS has been pretty damn rock solid. i've replaced suspension bits here and their, cleaned the throttle body 2-3 times (honestly wasn't even really necessary but i felt like it), replaced the radio LCD twice, and the telescopic steering motor was replaced but everything major (and even minor) still works amazingly. unbelievably incredible car. as someone else once wrote, "i know LS stands for luxury sedan, but from what i'm reading from owners it might as well stand for "Love Story" lolol so true
#32
An LS430 does not use QAS capacitors and there is less possibility of the failing capacitor issue but uses the lead-free solder.
As is written at here, "Many researchers found that thermal fatigue is more in many lead free solder joints compared to that of conventional Tin/Lead (SnPb) solder joints". We have more solder joint problems after the lead-free solder was introduced.
As is written at here, "Many researchers found that thermal fatigue is more in many lead free solder joints compared to that of conventional Tin/Lead (SnPb) solder joints". We have more solder joint problems after the lead-free solder was introduced.
BTW, my next car will be a '99 LS. I don't like the bug-eyed headlights of 430 and its tall stance. The last year or two of 430 have better looking front with nicer headlights, but the price tends to be too close to 4th gen, so I would rather get for 4th gen then.
Last edited by peterls; 08-24-16 at 03:02 PM.
#34
Only caused unintended acceleration due to wiskers. No biggie
http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/a...oss-its-bumper
http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/a...oss-its-bumper
Last edited by sam12345; 08-24-16 at 07:13 PM.
#35
Originally Posted by sam12345
Only caused unintended acceleration due to wiskers. No biggie
Every LS uses a floor hinged accelerator pedal. The issue came with the top hinged accelerator pedal being jammed in improperly placed winter mats. In response Toyota redesigned the pedal and the winter mats, and changed the way they anchor their floormats entirely.
Believe me I know, at that time I had a 2010 ES350 which was involved with the unintended acceleration recall and investigation. No generation of the LS was ever involved.
#37
#38
Originally Posted by sam12345
My point is tin is a problem. I don't believe they where all driver errors. But keep drinking the koolaid. Toyota has deep pockets and lots of lawyers
The bottom line is this, and I've had the LS400, the LS430 and the LS460. Each have their uniqueness that is different when you move from one successive generation to the next. I have a soft spot for the LS400 because that was my first one, but the 430 is bigger, more comfortable, smoother and quieter. With the UL or CL package they're a big upgrade inside with better leather, leather dash and door panels, etc. Seats far superior in the 430 IMHO.
Styling wise I don't care for the 01-03 430s but I think they fixed that in 04. The 430s have better tech, later ones have keyless entry and start as well as still usable and upgradable nav, Bluetooth phone.
Nothing lasts forever, the 98-00 400s now are 16-18 years old now. A newer well cared for 430 is an upgrade. Plenty of stats out there in terms of reliability, nothing would indicate that the 430 is less reliable than the 400. You can make that case for early 460s vs the 430 and 400, but not the 430.
#39
Originally Posted by sam12345
This person made an error.
#40
Simple google search for LS400 unintended acceleration provides hits:
http://archive.boston.com/business/a...laint_process/
User error.
http://archive.boston.com/business/a...laint_process/
User error.
#41
Fact is lead solder is better than tin in terms of quality which was my point and the unintended acceleration is not a closed case. Yes most but not all are driver errors. Some are gold diggers but not all. I have personally seen some of the things tin solder can do and so has NASA which is why they and the military use lead
. buttechnology is adapting Therefore lead free solder is becoming more and more reliable
. buttechnology is adapting Therefore lead free solder is becoming more and more reliable
#42
I think you are dramatically overemphasizing the importance of this solder. The LS430s are not a unknown quantity, there is tons of reliability data over millions and millions of miles, where is evidence of any electrical issues that come from the use of this lead free solder? There isn't any.
Its not a spaceship, it's a car. NASA and the military use lots of things that aren't necessary to provide a super reliable car.
Its not a spaceship, it's a car. NASA and the military use lots of things that aren't necessary to provide a super reliable car.
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