Tip #2 - Improving Handling on Budget
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Tip #2 - Improving Handling on Budget
After a good reception to my Transmission Oil tip, I have decided to post another tip:
Improving Handling on a Tight Budget. Ok, How do you improve your car's handling without changing rims and springs? Everyone knows that Front engine cars suffer from understeer. Understeer = car does not like to turn in the intended direction. Front wheel drive cars are worse than RWD cars, since they do not have rear mechanicals to balance the weight of the engine in the front. Also you can control RWD better with the throttle. The LS400 is RWD, but is also an offender. I didn't have a lot of cash to invest in a 1992 LS400 with 190K miles. So no new wheels, no new shocks, no new springs. They way you can offset this problem is by going from 205-65/15 to 225-60/15 tyres, but only in the front. Defies logic right? But think! In this way the handling and steering response in the front is improved, but the rear remains the same, allowing the rear to drift normally, when the car is pushed hard through corners. If you replace the tyres in the rear as well, then you do not get this advantage, as the rear end stays in place, but the front still understeers, relatively. Do you need fatter tyres in the rear anyway? No. The rear, when the pavement is dry, never loses traction anyway from a standstill, because there is enough rubber to transfer the wheel motion to the road with the existing tyre width. Besides it costs more, you have to get 4 news tyres instead of 2.
I made this change, and man, what an improvement. Also, pick more agressive, grippier tyres for the front for added benefit. I used the Conti Extreme Contact ones. The car can comparitevely "Blitz" through corners now. Do it the next time you have to get a couple of tyres, or do it now, and put the ones you removed from the front on the rear later on, when the current ones wear out. Thanks for reading. BTW, I have tried this, and it works, not just in theory. Do it at your own risk, I am not responsible for your problems later.
I am going to do this to the big Benz next.
Thanks for reading.
Improving Handling on a Tight Budget. Ok, How do you improve your car's handling without changing rims and springs? Everyone knows that Front engine cars suffer from understeer. Understeer = car does not like to turn in the intended direction. Front wheel drive cars are worse than RWD cars, since they do not have rear mechanicals to balance the weight of the engine in the front. Also you can control RWD better with the throttle. The LS400 is RWD, but is also an offender. I didn't have a lot of cash to invest in a 1992 LS400 with 190K miles. So no new wheels, no new shocks, no new springs. They way you can offset this problem is by going from 205-65/15 to 225-60/15 tyres, but only in the front. Defies logic right? But think! In this way the handling and steering response in the front is improved, but the rear remains the same, allowing the rear to drift normally, when the car is pushed hard through corners. If you replace the tyres in the rear as well, then you do not get this advantage, as the rear end stays in place, but the front still understeers, relatively. Do you need fatter tyres in the rear anyway? No. The rear, when the pavement is dry, never loses traction anyway from a standstill, because there is enough rubber to transfer the wheel motion to the road with the existing tyre width. Besides it costs more, you have to get 4 news tyres instead of 2.
I made this change, and man, what an improvement. Also, pick more agressive, grippier tyres for the front for added benefit. I used the Conti Extreme Contact ones. The car can comparitevely "Blitz" through corners now. Do it the next time you have to get a couple of tyres, or do it now, and put the ones you removed from the front on the rear later on, when the current ones wear out. Thanks for reading. BTW, I have tried this, and it works, not just in theory. Do it at your own risk, I am not responsible for your problems later.
I am going to do this to the big Benz next.
Thanks for reading.
Last edited by ychachad; 06-11-03 at 11:53 AM.
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Originally posted by fvellani
How are the contiextremecontact tires? we were looking at them for our car...we have the Dunlop SP 4000 Sports on there right now...
How are the contiextremecontact tires? we were looking at them for our car...we have the Dunlop SP 4000 Sports on there right now...
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Re: Tip #2 - Improving Handling on Budget
Originally posted by ychachad
They way you can offset this problem is by going from 205-65/15 to 225-60/15 tyres, but only in the front...........but the rear remains the same, allowing the rear to drift normally..
They way you can offset this problem is by going from 205-65/15 to 225-60/15 tyres, but only in the front...........but the rear remains the same, allowing the rear to drift normally..
The other side to this theory is you could put skinnier tires in the rear and leave the fronts stock, huh? BTW, who drifts an LS400?
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Re: Re: Re: Tip #2 - Improving Handling on Budget
Originally posted by fvellani
stop it youre giving me bad ideas
Mr. Chachad, how are they in the rain? and how long have you had them?
stop it youre giving me bad ideas
Mr. Chachad, how are they in the rain? and how long have you had them?
Last edited by ychachad; 06-16-03 at 07:55 PM.
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I just replaced my front tires with Toyo Proxes TPT 225/60/15 on my 91 LS 400. The rear tires are still 205/65/15 (same Toyo and still fairly new). The steering is now a bit firmer, cornering seems a bit better. I'll go with 225/60/15 when the time comes to replace the rear tires. It's probably the cheapest way to improve steering, handling and safety.
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What I meant was: when its' time to replace your tires you should go with bigger ones. The extra cost is minimal. I think 205 tires are too small for such a big car. By the way the difference in diameter between 225/60/15 and 205/65/15 is only 0.5%. That's as close as you can get, anything below 1% is fine.
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