Transplanting ls430 (3uz-fe) into ls400
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Transplanting ls430 (3uz-fe) into ls400
Acquired a 2002 3UZ-FE with 58,000 miles to.replace the 1UZ-FE in my 1999 LS400.
It appears to be a plug
and-play proposition by reusing certain parts from the 1UZ-FE..
Externally 1998-2000 1UZ-FE VVTi engine blocks are identical to 3UZ-FE.
Necessary to reuse LS400 upper and lower oil pans, engine mounting brackets, engine mounts, exhaust manifolds/heat shields, throttle body, engine wiring harness, knock sensors, oil filter bracket, Spark plug coils (COP) and several minor hoses, brackets and clips...
So now have an extra like new LS430 engine wiring harness, throttle body, exhaust manifolds and set of coils...should anyone be looking.
Several.images of the upper oil pan.
The LS430 uses a center sump oil pan, while the LS400 is forward. Engine block to upper oil pan mounting hole configuration are identical.
3UZ-FE upper oil pan (top).and 1UZ-FE upper oil pan (bottom) The 3UZ-FE is configured with a center sump to clear the steering rack in the LS430.
1UZ-FE oil pick-up (LS400) shown installed (bolt on).onto 3UZ-FE block (LS430) must be used. 3UZ-FE oil pick-up.shown in hand.
3UZ-FE shown on engine stand. LS430 (3UZ-FE) exhaust manifolds shown. LS400 exhaust manifolds have yet to be transferred.
LS43O exhaust manifolds are log-like. On information Toyota switched to this concept to improve cold start emissions (notice shield insert between first and second exhaust outlets)...not for optimium power production. LS400 exhaust manifolds will be used..should increase power output.
LS400 upper oil pan, oil pick-up and wind age plate installed on LS430 block. The cast Aluminum upper pan stiffens the engine block. Have replaced the OEM hexhead bolts with captive flat washers with higher strength JIS washer head bolts.
OEM upper oil pan to engine block setting bolt shown on right. Scrawny bolt with narrow shank..and without lock washer.. Purchased 60mm long JIS (10.9 head stamp) from McMaster-Carr. Necessary to trim.length a few mm to prevent bottoming out in blind holes of block. Better clamping.
More to come.
It appears to be a plug
and-play proposition by reusing certain parts from the 1UZ-FE..
Externally 1998-2000 1UZ-FE VVTi engine blocks are identical to 3UZ-FE.
Necessary to reuse LS400 upper and lower oil pans, engine mounting brackets, engine mounts, exhaust manifolds/heat shields, throttle body, engine wiring harness, knock sensors, oil filter bracket, Spark plug coils (COP) and several minor hoses, brackets and clips...
So now have an extra like new LS430 engine wiring harness, throttle body, exhaust manifolds and set of coils...should anyone be looking.
Several.images of the upper oil pan.
The LS430 uses a center sump oil pan, while the LS400 is forward. Engine block to upper oil pan mounting hole configuration are identical.
3UZ-FE upper oil pan (top).and 1UZ-FE upper oil pan (bottom) The 3UZ-FE is configured with a center sump to clear the steering rack in the LS430.
1UZ-FE oil pick-up (LS400) shown installed (bolt on).onto 3UZ-FE block (LS430) must be used. 3UZ-FE oil pick-up.shown in hand.
3UZ-FE shown on engine stand. LS430 (3UZ-FE) exhaust manifolds shown. LS400 exhaust manifolds have yet to be transferred.
LS43O exhaust manifolds are log-like. On information Toyota switched to this concept to improve cold start emissions (notice shield insert between first and second exhaust outlets)...not for optimium power production. LS400 exhaust manifolds will be used..should increase power output.
LS400 upper oil pan, oil pick-up and wind age plate installed on LS430 block. The cast Aluminum upper pan stiffens the engine block. Have replaced the OEM hexhead bolts with captive flat washers with higher strength JIS washer head bolts.
OEM upper oil pan to engine block setting bolt shown on right. Scrawny bolt with narrow shank..and without lock washer.. Purchased 60mm long JIS (10.9 head stamp) from McMaster-Carr. Necessary to trim.length a few mm to prevent bottoming out in blind holes of block. Better clamping.
More to come.
Last edited by YODAONE; 01-10-20 at 10:22 AM.
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Acquired a 2002 3UZ-FE with 58,000 miles to.replace the 1UZ-FE in my 1999 LS400.
It appears to be a plug
and-play proposition by reusing certain parts from the 1UZ-FE..
Externally 1998-2000 1UZ-FE VVTi engine blocks are identical to 3UZ-FE.
Necessary to reuse LS400 upper and lower oil pans, engine mounting brackets, engine mounts, exhaust manifolds/heat shields, throttle body, engine wiring harness, knock sensors, oil filter bracket, Spark plug coils (COP) and several minor hoses, brackets and clips...
So now have an extra like new LS430 engine wiring harness, throttle body, exhaust manifolds and set of coils...should anyone be looking.
Several.images of the upper oil pan.
The LS430 uses a center sump oil pan, while the LS400 is forward. Engine block to upper oil pan mounting hole configuration are identical.
3UZ-FE upper oil pan (top).and 1UZ-FE upper oil pan (bottom) The 3UZ-FE is configured with a center sump to clear the steering rack in the LS430.
1UZ-FE oil pick-up (LS400) shown installed (bolt on).onto 3UZ-FE block (LS430) must be used. 3UZ-FE oil pick-up.shown in hand.
3UZ-FE shown on engine stand. LS430 (3UZ-FE) exhaust manifolds shown. LS400 exhaust manifolds have yet to be transferred.
LS43O exhaust manifolds are log-like. On information Toyota switched to this concept to improve cold start emissions (notice shield insert between first and second exhaust outlets)...not for optimium power production. LS400 exhaust manifolds will be used..should increase power output.
LS400 upper oil pan, oil pick-up and wind age plate installed on LS430 block. The cast Aluminum upper pan stiffens the engine block. Have replaced the OEM hexhead bolts with captive flat washers with higher strength JIS washer head bolts.
OEM upper oil pan to engine block setting bolt shown on right. Scrawny bolt with narrow shank..and without lock washer.. Purchased 60mm long JIS (10.9 head stamp) from McMaster-Carr. Necessary to trim.length a few mm to prevent bottoming out in blind holes of block. Better clamping.
More to come.
It appears to be a plug
and-play proposition by reusing certain parts from the 1UZ-FE..
Externally 1998-2000 1UZ-FE VVTi engine blocks are identical to 3UZ-FE.
Necessary to reuse LS400 upper and lower oil pans, engine mounting brackets, engine mounts, exhaust manifolds/heat shields, throttle body, engine wiring harness, knock sensors, oil filter bracket, Spark plug coils (COP) and several minor hoses, brackets and clips...
So now have an extra like new LS430 engine wiring harness, throttle body, exhaust manifolds and set of coils...should anyone be looking.
Several.images of the upper oil pan.
The LS430 uses a center sump oil pan, while the LS400 is forward. Engine block to upper oil pan mounting hole configuration are identical.
3UZ-FE upper oil pan (top).and 1UZ-FE upper oil pan (bottom) The 3UZ-FE is configured with a center sump to clear the steering rack in the LS430.
1UZ-FE oil pick-up (LS400) shown installed (bolt on).onto 3UZ-FE block (LS430) must be used. 3UZ-FE oil pick-up.shown in hand.
3UZ-FE shown on engine stand. LS430 (3UZ-FE) exhaust manifolds shown. LS400 exhaust manifolds have yet to be transferred.
LS43O exhaust manifolds are log-like. On information Toyota switched to this concept to improve cold start emissions (notice shield insert between first and second exhaust outlets)...not for optimium power production. LS400 exhaust manifolds will be used..should increase power output.
LS400 upper oil pan, oil pick-up and wind age plate installed on LS430 block. The cast Aluminum upper pan stiffens the engine block. Have replaced the OEM hexhead bolts with captive flat washers with higher strength JIS washer head bolts.
OEM upper oil pan to engine block setting bolt shown on right. Scrawny bolt with narrow shank..and without lock washer.. Purchased 60mm long JIS (10.9 head stamp) from McMaster-Carr. Necessary to trim.length a few mm to prevent bottoming out in blind holes of block. Better clamping.
More to come.
#4
Racer
Awesome
Did 3uzfe solve the ps pump leaking onto the alternator issue?
Starter location seems different
Did 3uzfe solve the ps pump leaking onto the alternator issue?
Starter location seems different
Last edited by RA40; 04-30-20 at 09:13 AM.
#5
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
The starter is in exact same location.
Both have same flexplate P.N.
As for P.S. LS400 and LS430 pumps, both are located above the alternator.
The LS430 employs a separate solid Aluminum mounting bracket , while the LS400 has integral mounting bracket.
The LS400 pump fits on th he LS430 block by using the two side mounting bolts and LS400 front mounting stud by installing in other front facing pretapped hole in cylinder head.
Unsure whether LS430 pump offers increased reliability.....
#6
Racer
3UZ-FE and 1UZ-FE engine blocks are very similar.
The starter is in exact same location.
Both have same flexplate P.N.
As for P.S. LS400 and LS430 pumps, both are located above the alternator.
The LS430 employs a separate solid Aluminum mounting bracket , while the LS400 has integral mounting bracket.
The LS400 pump fits on th he LS430 block by using the two side mounting bolts and LS400 front mounting stud by installing in other front facing pretapped hole in cylinder head.
Unsure whether LS430 pump offers increased reliability.....
The starter is in exact same location.
Both have same flexplate P.N.
As for P.S. LS400 and LS430 pumps, both are located above the alternator.
The LS430 employs a separate solid Aluminum mounting bracket , while the LS400 has integral mounting bracket.
The LS400 pump fits on th he LS430 block by using the two side mounting bolts and LS400 front mounting stud by installing in other front facing pretapped hole in cylinder head.
Unsure whether LS430 pump offers increased reliability.....
#7
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
The 1999 LS400 and 2001-2003 use A650-E transmission
The LS400 transmission bolts right up to 3UZ-FE block.
Lexus lists different torque converter P.N.'s for 1998-2000 LS400 and 2001-2003 LS430.
Physically they are same, but neither Toyota nor a single torque converter rebuilder can explain difference. (Toyota attitude more likely)
Different stall speed? Upgraded internals?
Anyone?
The LS400 transmission bolts right up to 3UZ-FE block.
Lexus lists different torque converter P.N.'s for 1998-2000 LS400 and 2001-2003 LS430.
Physically they are same, but neither Toyota nor a single torque converter rebuilder can explain difference. (Toyota attitude more likely)
Different stall speed? Upgraded internals?
Anyone?
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The 1999 LS400 and 2001-2003 use A650-E transmission
The LS400 transmission bolts right up to 3UZ-FE block.
Lexus lists different torque converter P.N.'s for 1998-2000 LS400 and 2001-2003 LS430.
Physically they are same, but neither Toyota nor a single torque converter rebuilder can explain difference. (Toyota attitude more likely)
Different stall speed? Upgraded internals?
Anyone?
The LS400 transmission bolts right up to 3UZ-FE block.
Lexus lists different torque converter P.N.'s for 1998-2000 LS400 and 2001-2003 LS430.
Physically they are same, but neither Toyota nor a single torque converter rebuilder can explain difference. (Toyota attitude more likely)
Different stall speed? Upgraded internals?
Anyone?
#9
Yodaone, first off this is a cool project. Koodos for taking this on.
One question is why do this? Is the cost of the 4.0 more than the 4.3? Is there limited availability of good junk yard 4.0? Is there a decent power increase going to the 4.3? From my 99 I think the HP is the same but the 4.3 gets 20 more ft-lbs of torque.
Or is is simply you just want to see if it can be done? All are great reason's, just curious to why?
Also I can't wait to see what you end up doing here!
One question is why do this? Is the cost of the 4.0 more than the 4.3? Is there limited availability of good junk yard 4.0? Is there a decent power increase going to the 4.3? From my 99 I think the HP is the same but the 4.3 gets 20 more ft-lbs of torque.
Or is is simply you just want to see if it can be done? All are great reason's, just curious to why?
Also I can't wait to see what you end up doing here!
Last edited by wolfy53; 05-01-20 at 08:35 AM.
#10
Lexus Champion
You get much more power at part throttle and early on in the rpm range, kinda like a 200hp non-turbo engine vs a 200hp turbo one.
#11
Lexus Test Driver
#12
Looks like it yes! Also it could do this via throttle control. But looking at the HP curves for both engines source Automobile-catalog.com. Is it true... I don't know, but it looks accurate. at2k RPM the 4.3 makes an impressive 120 ft lbs more torque. Not bad at all.
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/c...us_ls_430.html
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/c...us_ls_400.html
Ex) @ 2k RPM the 4.3 makes 369 ft-lbs and 103.5 HP and the 4.0 makes 247.2 ft-lbs and 94.1HP
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/c...us_ls_430.html
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/c...us_ls_400.html
Ex) @ 2k RPM the 4.3 makes 369 ft-lbs and 103.5 HP and the 4.0 makes 247.2 ft-lbs and 94.1HP
#13
Lexus Test Driver
so toyota underrates the torque on the 3UZ by over 40 ft lbs?
#14
Lexus Test Driver
well here is what toyota considers the torque curves to be
3UZ
1UZ
3UZ
1UZ
#15
Lexus Champion