JemmyTran

Hands down man get the LS you cant go wrong with them.

ctyank

Thanks everyone. You are a group of afficianados, Lexus fanatics, "priests" and "psychiatrists." I'll likely stay with the LS. I'd probably cry leaving it behind at the dealership.

BNR34

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For all the latest electronics, obviously the new generation ES350 wins.

But for everything else except the new electronics, it is not even a comparison, the LS is a few levels higher.

Like everything in life, depends on what you want.

KILLERGS4

I think you can get 2007 Acura RL for 39k... Definitely better than an ES350.

j stuff

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lol is all I can say if youre debating between an LS and ES

usermel

I agree with this guy, makes so much sense! Perfect advice Bigcory. It is him who has to be happy with his choice,great advice.

lexusthai

Last year, I drove the '07 ES350, the LOANER, for two full days. OK, wasn't long at all. But at the end of Day Two, I couldn't wait to get back into my '02LS430!

I'm 6'0". Visibility, for some reason, is very important to me, the rear window of the ES350 is small because of long sloping roof. Visibility no good. Engine? Quick, not bad, but it's slower than the LS's V8, as well as quite a bit louder at full throttle. Not to mention the front-drive feeling, the car pulling you, instead of the LS's rear-drive pushing you forward.

Yes, ES350's newer, looks more modern, smells better, has push-button start, tiptronic, easier to manouver around town. But I bet you'd rather take the LS on days you want to relax and cruise. Not to mention the interior space you get in the LS430.

No, I'm not saying the ES is a bad car, I'm just saying that the 05 LS430 is a MUCH NICER car than the '08 ES350.

I just got the RX350 as another loaner today, still, I'd take my '02 LS430 over both the '07 ES350 and RX350.

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=278344 ( i said sth. about ES350 vs. LS430 )

The LS.... is the choice. The '08 LS460 is even a better choice. But if I have the guts to spend the cash, I'd try a Quattroporte. Anyone else? Let's say, 3-yr maintenance free, free labor, free parts...

BNR34

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Visibility is very important to me too, because of that, I much prefer the older generations cars, see our current Lexues in my signature, we got those because it is what we want, even though some people might think we drive the older cars because they are cheaper. All the newer generations cars get smaller and smaller windows, higher and higher belt line, they feel like sitting in a tank looking out a tiny windows, I hate it. I would pick the older cars even if the new cars are the same price. Sure the new cars got more power and more advance electronics, but at the end of the day, it is how it feels sitting inside that matters the most.

I even prefer the LS430 over the LS460, for the same reason of the 460 got smaller windows and higher belt line.

The Quattroporte is a whole couple levels higher in terms of price and depreciations, due to their reliability, like you said, you have to buy them new and be able to afford the 50% depreciation in the first 3 years. Sure they are nice if you can afford them. But if it is my money, if I can swing $120k for a car, I would get the LF-A.

GS3Tek

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THanks for the upate

I thought about this:
Coulda had a V8

sonyman

Stay with your LS!

GRAND_LS 4

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I know your asking about the ES and LS, but let me compare the GS and LS for you since I own both, and since the GS is higher in the food chain then the ES.

The LS has unprecedented build quality. They don't compromise on materials and the use of leather (I have the UL model LS430). You can tell they've put all their technology and quality in the LS. While the ES might be newer looking, and have a few more extra gismos depending on what year LS we are comparing it too, some things are just always better in the LS, no matter what year.

Even compared to my old 98LS, it was built with better materials then my '02 GS430.

lexusthai

LOL Love your Engrish signature!

BNR34

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I agreed 100%. As nice as the ES and GS are, the LS is at a whole higher level in terms of build quality and material. A lot of pieces on the LS are actually "screw" together with actual hardwares, where the ES and GS are just snapped together like a Camry.

Lexus REALLY make sure their flagship is the best product they make, by far.

I am looking forward to see how insane the LF-A will be, a $150k+ Toyota, is very likely the highest quality car ever made when it comes out!

GS3Tek

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Good call
I'd go for the RL over an ES also if the price is comparable.

Herro
I crack up everytime I see it also

Bob04

This really isn't a choice. Going from the top of the line Lexus to basically a luxury Camry would be a serious downgrade.

Stay with the LS.