Originally Posted by airtime

I hear a lot of complaint about wind noise. Is there a specific year that its happening to as mine is dead quiet. I drove my car with a 4 people in it and they said it was the quietest car they ever sat in. They were surprise at how it even filters out a lot of an ambulance siren. Note that mine is the UL with double pane but is the noise all of you hear coming from the front windshield only?

Originally Posted by nc356

Reluctantly adding to this thread, 'cause my four LS's, going back to '91 LS400, up to my current '04 UL w/ PCS, are hands down the best designed and built cars I've ever owned. (Never mind doesn't handle like a BMW or Mercedes: if they would get their reliability up to Lex levels, then maybe I would compare/consider those cars; otherwise, since quality/reliability trumps all else for me, I don't see any other choices for me as of today)
SO here goes:
1: heated and cooled seats are terrible failures; I think they're just there for marketing reasons.
2: cruise control requires multiple switch presses (dang those lawyers)
3: 5 mph setting increment on dynamic cruise (don't many of us set up 7-9 over posted limit; just can't do it with the 5 mph increment, except via luck/multiple tries)
4: my black interior is actually a mix of navy blue and black
5: dash and control design are an embarrasing hodgepodge of inconsistency; ie amber pixel type displays in one place; segmented green LCDs in another; displayed info is hard to interpret quickly, because of lack of borders between display sections; HVAC panel has nice buttons with tiny chrome bars (my favorite motif, reminds me of Audi/VW), other are plain old Toyota parts bin standards stuff (made to look worse by the nicer stuff on HVAC)
6: one color fits all bronze plastic switch buttons
7: wind noise in 430 (my last 2 400's were quieter)
8: why no wood surround for the NAV console?
9: (they'll never change this, 'cause they're copying Mercedes) rocker switch for temp control; rotating **** with 1 degree detents would be hands down better
10: pushbuttons behind steering wheel are plastic-on-plastic squeaky, and have poor tactile feel
11: NAV logic is sometimes completely crazy, especially when you leave your route
12: inability to select a NAV destination on the move
13: $300 for NAV updates
14: rain sensing wipers far too sensitive
15: dynamic cruise very inconsistent when increased speed called for; sometimes lags far behind traffic; other times grabs a gear and scares my passengers

I'm sure there's more, but that's enough, considering I love my 430.

Toyota, are you monitoring this thread? We hope so!

Best regards to all,
NC356

Originally Posted by BNR34

Sorry I should have been more specific, since the new generations of ES and LS came out in 07'.

By new generation I meant new body style, so no the old body style 06' LS430 don't have freezing seats, only the LS460 has it.

Originally Posted by airtime

Damn it. The Lexus tech lied to me. My Sport/Norm is not lit and I specifically ask them and they said its not suppose to. I asked them why and they just said that's the way it is. I even had them check on another LS and that one is burned out too.

Originally Posted by KILLERGS4

DAMN IT!!! my service manager said the same crap to me, and I believed him... Now I'm out of warranty! at least your height button is lit. CRAP!!!

Originally Posted by airtime

I hear a lot of complaint about wind noise. Is there a specific year that its happening to as mine is dead quiet. I drove my car with a 4 people in it and they said it was the quietest car they ever sat in. They were surprise at how it even filters out a lot of an ambulance siren. Note that mine is the UL with double pane but is the noise all of you hear coming from the front windshield only?