2003 LS430 - Puslation in Ped - NOT warped rotors
#1
2003 LS430 - Puslation in Ped - NOT warped rotors
Hello,
I'm getting some vibration in the steering wheel when I brake. It is noticeable at highway speeds. It only seems to be at the start of when I press the pedal. The harder I press the more it goes away. I did a brake job recently and replaced the front rotors and pads and thought it might be that one of the rotors was warped.
I checked the lateral runout on both sides today with a dial test indicator and it read 0.002" or less on each side, which is within the OEM specification. Just to be clear, I checked the lateral runout at the extremity (outer diameter) of the rotor on both inside and outside surfaces of the rotor on the driver's side and passenger sides rotor.
Has anyone had a similar experience?
Thanks
I'm getting some vibration in the steering wheel when I brake. It is noticeable at highway speeds. It only seems to be at the start of when I press the pedal. The harder I press the more it goes away. I did a brake job recently and replaced the front rotors and pads and thought it might be that one of the rotors was warped.
I checked the lateral runout on both sides today with a dial test indicator and it read 0.002" or less on each side, which is within the OEM specification. Just to be clear, I checked the lateral runout at the extremity (outer diameter) of the rotor on both inside and outside surfaces of the rotor on the driver's side and passenger sides rotor.
Has anyone had a similar experience?
Thanks
Last edited by Arcturus; 07-12-15 at 01:32 PM.
#2
The disc runout measurement should be taken at 10mm (0.39") from the edge of the disc. This measurement is the combination runout of the disc and the hub. Maximum on-vehicle combination disc/hub runout is 0.05mm (0.002"). For a new rotor, you should try to find a mounting position that yields the lowest "combined" runout measurement. This is done by taking measurement for all 5 disc/hub mating combination, and select the lowest one.
Last edited by rkw77080; 07-12-15 at 03:17 PM.
#3
The disc runout measurement should be taken at 10mm (0.39") from the edge of the disc. This measurement is the combination runout of the disc and the hub. Maximum on-vehicle combination disc/hub runout is 0.05mm (0.002"). For a new rotor, you should try to find a mounting position that yields the lowest "combined" runout measurement. This is done by taking measurement for all 5 disc/hub mating combination, and select the lowest one.
As I reinstalled the rotors previously without a dial gauge, I did not attempt to minimize the runout. However, 0.002" and less to me is pretty good and in conformance with the service manual. Are you saying I should attempt to try and minimize this further?
I will have to take the calipers off for this and I know these bolts are aluminum. Although it says to use a new set each time, can I re-use them?
Also, the manual is interesting where it shows placement of the magnetic base. The knuckle is aluminum and hence non-magnetic. I had to put it on the sway bar instead.
#5
The runout measurement is for the braking surface and it should be taken from a position 10mm from the edge of the rotor. I cannot tell from your pictures if you're measuring the out-of-round (from the edge) of the rotor, or are you measuring the run-out (rotor surface wobbling). Please take a look at this video I found on Youtube (it is not mine!)... You will probably need a c-clamp to attach the base to the aluminum knuckle. Important: Install at least 3 lug nuts to ensure that the rotor is firmly attached to the hub.
Last edited by rkw77080; 07-12-15 at 06:06 PM.
#6
The runout measurement is for the braking surface and it should be taken from a position 10mm from the edge of the rotor. I cannot tell from your pictures if you're measuring the out-of-round (from the edge) of the rotor, or are you measuring the run-out (rotor surface wobbling). Please take a look at this video I found on Youtube (it is not mine!)... You will probably need a c-clamp to attach the base to the aluminum knuckle. Important: Install at least 3 lug nuts to ensure that the rotor is firmly attached to the hub.
brake rotor run-out - YouTube
brake rotor run-out - YouTube
I measured at the edge of the disc as this would normally be the area of maximum out-of-parallelism. However, I can repeat the measurement at the 10mm from edge as you suggest to be safe.
Last edited by Arcturus; 07-12-15 at 06:26 PM.
#7
I have (carefully) re-used those brake caliper bolts. BUT be absolutely sure you have clean threads, do NOT add any lubricant to the threads, and be sure to carefully torque them.
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#8
By the way, have you ever heard of someone snapping off those bolts? They look pretty massive to me!
#9
I also noticed on the pictures that your rotor is not held in place with lug nuts - this can give you bad measurements.
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#12
I'll recheck the measurements with the lug studs tightened. In my opinion no lug studs would make the measurement worse not better, but I'll recheck as you suggested to be sure. It could be that the back of the disc is not flat.
#13
You should use a wire brush to clean off any residue on the brake rotor and bearing.
#14
I started with about 0.002" per side and managed to get down to around 0.0007"-0.0008" per side. This is right near the limits of my dial test indicator, which is about as good as it gets. Starting to get near aerospace tolerances. Actually kind of surprised the rotors and hub are machined that tight!
Then I put the car back together tightening the lug nuts with the torque wrench to the correct torque in a star pattern.
If this doesn't work I think I can safely rule out the rotors. I'll give it a try tomorrow.