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I'm old-school, so I prefer OEM filter the manufacturer designed specifically for the LS430. This filter has a genuine Toyota part hologram and was made in Thailand. I decided to cut it open to provide a bit of "Club Lexus tidbit" for everyone's entertainment...
I'm due for an oil change in a few weeks (every 5,000 miles). Once I remove the old oil filter, I will cut it open and post some photos to show its condition.
In terms of oil, I use Mobil-One High Mileage 5W-30 synthetic oil.
So I believe Mobil-One 5W-30 synthetic oil and OEM oil filter are the best oil and filter combo for the LS430 based on selections made by Lexus factory.
It is science and Mahle is OEM to the finest car manufacturers in the world. I place confidence in the testing performed by these makers over my own opinion or that of fellow DIy's.
That's interesting. I sent Mahle a Scion tC head I had lying around to develop a new piston for the 2AZ-FE. What leads you to believe they are the "finest"? I am not following your logic unless it is based purely on reputation.
That's interesting. I sent Mahle a Scion tC head I had lying around to develop a new piston for the 2AZ-FE. What leads you to believe they are the "finest"? I am not following your logic unless it is based purely on reputation.
My opinion isn't really mine at all! My choice is Mahle because the most expensive car lines, and arguably, the finest engineered, are of the opinion that Mahle should be their OEM filter. I'm not going to argue with BMW engineers about that.
I'm old-school, so I prefer OEM filter the manufacturer designed specifically for the LS430. This filter has a genuine Toyota part hologram and was made in Thailand. I decided to cut it open to provide a bit of "Club Lexus tidbit" for everyone's entertainment...
I'm due for an oil change in a few weeks (every 5,000 miles). Once I remove the old oil filter, I will cut it open and post some photos to show its condition.
In terms of oil, I use Mobil-One High Mileage 5W-30 synthetic oil.
So I believe Mobil-One 5W-30 synthetic oil and OEM oil filter are the best oil and filter combo for the LS430 based on selections made by Lexus factory.
The Lexus LFA requires: Mobil 1™ 5W-50: The Factory Fill of Lexus LFA
The 5w-30 is not even close to that oil. IT's all about market segments/needs/ positioning. The zinc level in the 5w-50 is 1110 ppm just like the 0w-40. The later is a thinner weight for more normal driving conditions. The 5w-30 is 900ppm so about 20% less zinc.
The Toyota filter has nice even filter media spacing but it doesn't have any end plates to it. The bypass valves sits atop the filter media and not a metal plate. That is a 5k oil filter max in my opinion simply due to paper vs metal edge wear.
I'm not a lubricant engineer/chemist. Does higher zinc level translate directly to better oil? Would 5000ppm be even better than the 1110ppm found in the Lexus LFA?
I know that the American Petroleum Institute (API) has regulated the amount of zinc levels to 800ppm, down from 1500ppm of years ago (in the 1990's) due to its harmful effects on catalytic converters and emissions systems. This would not be a concern for pre-1990 hot rod and vintage motors since they are typically not equipped with catalytic converters. Personally, I would not risk ruining my catalytic converters.
My opinion isn't really mine at all! My choice is Mahle because the most expensive car lines, and arguably, the finest engineered, are of the opinion that Mahle should be their OEM filter. I'm not going to argue with BMW engineers about that.
The NIssan 370Z uses a Mahle Oil Filter as OEM.
Most expensive hardly means finest engineered. If anything, German engineering has definitely fallen short compared to the long term reliability of Japanese makes. Even Hyundai and Kia are making models that are proving to be more reliable then German counterparts. I think there is a reason why you purchased your 430 Grunner over an A8, 7 series, or S class...
Just last night I was speaking with a Porsche mechanic about how unreliable their Boxer engines are vs the Subaru Boxer. Clearly something made Germany does not automatically equal quality. It has equaled over engineered, often unreliable, and consistently expensive repairs.
The Toyota filter has nice even filter media spacing but it doesn't have any end plates to it. The bypass valves sits atop the filter media and not a metal plate. That is a 5k oil filter max in my opinion simply due to paper vs metal edge wear.
End plates? The filtered oil path is consisted of a steel perforated tube with a pressure relief (bypass) valve at one end and the return fitting at the opposite end. Dirty oil flows from outside through the paper filter into the perforated return tube back into the engine block. If the paper is completely clogged, the spring-operated pressure relief valve is pushed open allowing oil to continue to flow. The bracket on which the relief valve is mounted holds everything together in the filter cartridge. This is a better design since the steel perforated tube will hold up better than the "end plate" design as it does not rely on the rigidity of the filter element (which will soften and possibly collapse as it ages) to hold everything in place.
Most expensive hardly means finest engineered. If anything, German engineering has definitely fallen short compared to the long term reliability of Japanese makes. Even Hyundai and Kia are making models that are proving to be more reliable then German counterparts. I think there is a reason why you purchased your 430 Grunner over an A8, 7 series, or S class...
Just last night I was speaking with a Porsche mechanic about how unreliable their Boxer engines are vs the Subaru Boxer. Clearly something made Germany does not automatically equal quality. It has equaled over engineered, often unreliable, and consistently expensive repairs.
I have the feeling a lot of the members here are missing the point.
A manufacturer is controlled by the board. It will be a matter of balance to make a product that infuses confidence in its buyers to continue with the brand. It will not and cannot produce articles that will interfere with the marketing.
That is not to say that they could not.
As members of this forum we have a choice to install in our vehicles the products that promote longevity and reliability and we determine at what cost. But even we will make compromises so we will not spend 100 grand on an engine. There are many tuning companies that can supply superior products to the OEM. I think it is not fair to brand German products as bad eggs in a basket. Just as we would not say all Japanese radios are junk just because Toyota went to a ML audio system. Or buy only from a car manufacturer that won 24hr LeMans races. Korman USA can build you a BMW engine that is "bulletproof" - at a cost.
So, if someone wants to praise the benefits of a specific oilfilter or brand of oil, let each one decide what he/she wants. Parts and equipment will always change over the years. Some proved very reliable. I am thinking of the "old" Chevy 283 V8. There must be millions that were produced. And quite reliable. Today we would say this is obsolete engineering. But for that time period it was good.
Denso is the Japanese supplier, in Europe it is Bosch.With global markets the supply chain gets mixed, the driving factor is cost. Even Lexus is not as consistent with their quality as they were before. I am seeing members going back to the LS430 from their LS460
It would be cool if you could pick up an original Nippon Denso filter and compare the two RKW.
Toyota (NipponDenso) --- 90915-20004 (made in Japan)
Turns out, these Toyota 90915-20004 have been discontinued and are very rare. Looking around, I found this picture of the side-by-side comparison between the Toyota 90915-20004, the Toyota 90915-YZZD3, and the Denso. Wow, they are very different in design and in selection of materials.
So, if someone wants to praise the benefits of a specific oilfilter or brand of oil, let each one decide what he/she wants.
Well said! That's why we have so many options - each addresses its own set of interests for its loyal followers. The differences can be price, brand recognition/reputation, science, advertisement, OEM, or whatever...
Mahle Filters? I have been "suggesting" them not out of some weird brand loyalty, (as who as ever actually heard of "Mahle")? But, because they come from a "world" of eco fanatics that DEMANDS that their oil and filter last 18,600 to 31,000 miles in order to save the planet!
Yes, that is really weird to me! But it isn't to a European!
My point was that I plan to spend around $8 bucks for a filter and around $6 per quart of oil. So what is the BEST within that price range, and Mahle plus Mobil 1 0W-40 is where I landed for ALL of the reasons provided.
Not having metal end plates makes the filter much, much, cheaper to manufacturer - Obviously! And the recent Denso shows that it is BETTER with a metal end plate even though the manufacturing costs will be higher.
Look! Review the information on the Mahle Filter and you will SEE that it is built like a tank and is very precisely made relative to filter media spacing and thickness and valves that are built in and NOT tossed into the "can".
Mobil 1 0W-40 is 100% made from a synthetic base without the use of any fossil oils. That has been proven to be better.
So my out of pocket cost is roughly $8.50 filter plus 5 quarts of oil at a cost of $26.50 and I have a materials cost of $35.00
Yes, I could save another 5 bucks by using other 'stuff" but, if I'm going to stick my noggin under a car at risk of it being crushed, I will stay with the $35 combo I have SUGGESTED.
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