Is the 04-06 facelift *really* worth it?
08-08-17, 06:10 PM
#1
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Thread Starter
Is the 04-06 facelift *really* worth it?
Hey guys
I currently drive a GS300 and I'm looking to go even bigger and baller-er. I've been eyeing up LS430s for a while now, been checking the forums daily, and seeing what cars are going for what price locally
Anyway, I was pretty set on a silver / grey / black 04 on model with black interior, but they seem to be going for 12k+ AUD
Today I spot a 01 LS430, burgundy with black interior - 95K kms, and cheaper than most!
Given its the older model, it still has the same 5 speed as my GS300 which isn't the end of the world... What other features am I missing out on? Australian models seemed to not get the full range of options
Also the ignition barrel looks a little bit damaged? Apparently the car was written off in 2006, but has since been inspected and is in roadworthy condition..
Am I better off waiting for a more expensive facelift model?
Thanks
I currently drive a GS300 and I'm looking to go even bigger and baller-er. I've been eyeing up LS430s for a while now, been checking the forums daily, and seeing what cars are going for what price locally
Anyway, I was pretty set on a silver / grey / black 04 on model with black interior, but they seem to be going for 12k+ AUD
Today I spot a 01 LS430, burgundy with black interior - 95K kms, and cheaper than most!
Given its the older model, it still has the same 5 speed as my GS300 which isn't the end of the world... What other features am I missing out on? Australian models seemed to not get the full range of options
Also the ignition barrel looks a little bit damaged? Apparently the car was written off in 2006, but has since been inspected and is in roadworthy condition..
Am I better off waiting for a more expensive facelift model?
Thanks
08-08-17, 06:34 PM
#2
Pole Position
My 01 (Silver/black interior) doesn't have rear parking sensors, backup camera, headlights that turn with you, cooled seats and probably a few other features. It has 16" wheels instead of 17".
None of that extra stuff interested me when I drove the 01 vs an 04 that was for sale.
The 01 had more miles, but it didn't justify the $5k price difference. I went with the 01. I like that it is slightly lower tech, but still has the features I care about.
The 01 still drives like a dream. The previous owner had done front/rear brakes, plugs/wires, new tires, timing belt, synthetic oil change and then sold it to me. Thank you!
None of that extra stuff interested me when I drove the 01 vs an 04 that was for sale.
The 01 had more miles, but it didn't justify the $5k price difference. I went with the 01. I like that it is slightly lower tech, but still has the features I care about.
The 01 still drives like a dream. The previous owner had done front/rear brakes, plugs/wires, new tires, timing belt, synthetic oil change and then sold it to me. Thank you!
08-09-17, 09:21 AM
#3
Had an 01 Base. Great car and ultra reliable. Simple means (hopefully) fewer repairs. Can also upgrade the stereo easily w/ something high end that includes good NAV. The 5 speed is invisible. Those are the reasons I'd choose an 01-03. They are a real bargain.
I bought my 04 for the 6 speed, Sports Suspension, facelift and color combo. Manual shift, better gas mileage, feels faster, handles better. Now? The Smart Key is pretty cool. Back up cam IS useful. So are the sensors. ML audio a mixed blessing. Cooled seats useless. JMO but the 18's look better. Same with design update but only an LS owner would notice the difference.
If you want a nice car, buy an 01-03 and upgrade. I plan to keep mine for years so paid extra to get pretty much exactly what I wanted.
I bought my 04 for the 6 speed, Sports Suspension, facelift and color combo. Manual shift, better gas mileage, feels faster, handles better. Now? The Smart Key is pretty cool. Back up cam IS useful. So are the sensors. ML audio a mixed blessing. Cooled seats useless. JMO but the 18's look better. Same with design update but only an LS owner would notice the difference.
If you want a nice car, buy an 01-03 and upgrade. I plan to keep mine for years so paid extra to get pretty much exactly what I wanted.
08-09-17, 03:48 PM
#4
yeah I definitely prefer the looks of the newer model but tallcaguy was quite right..only an LS owner would know the difference, ha.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
08-09-17, 04:07 PM
#5
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Thread Starter
The only reason I'm not wanting a 5 speed is because thats what I already have haha.
TBH this is probably my favourite colour combo on the LS - 3P2 black cherry pearl with black interior.
I'll be upgrading the stereo system, suspension etc so I guess its not a huge deal.
My main concern is that the trim near the ignition barrel is damaged. I'll try and investigate it soon
TBH this is probably my favourite colour combo on the LS - 3P2 black cherry pearl with black interior.
I'll be upgrading the stereo system, suspension etc so I guess its not a huge deal.
My main concern is that the trim near the ignition barrel is damaged. I'll try and investigate it soon
08-09-17, 05:20 PM
#6
I guess I'd like to know why the car was written off back in 2006. I can understand that some people cannot afford the cream of the crop or even the average accident free ones and therefore look to get a good value on a rebuilt car. Probably explains why the price is lower on this. Still would pay to check up into the service history on it.
As far as the trim piece its likely one of two things: someone tried to steal the car at some point or someone had to fix the lock cylinder and didn't do a very good job doing it. How many keys come with the car? Do they work in all of the locks???
As far as the trim piece its likely one of two things: someone tried to steal the car at some point or someone had to fix the lock cylinder and didn't do a very good job doing it. How many keys come with the car? Do they work in all of the locks???
08-09-17, 06:56 PM
#7
Pole Position
Thread Starter
Apparently the car was stolen and recovered at some stage, which would explain the damage. I'm not going to jump into the car if its not good - It took me a year to find the right GS300 :P I've been eyeing up 04 on models with black leather, but they all seem to have much higher mileage, and aren't really going cheap enough IMO.
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08-09-17, 07:13 PM
#8
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yeah I definitely prefer the looks of the newer model but tallcaguy was quite right..only an LS owner would know the difference, ha.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
08-09-17, 08:51 PM
#9
yeah I definitely prefer the looks of the newer model but tallcaguy was quite right..only an LS owner would know the difference, ha.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
08-09-17, 08:55 PM
#10
LOL after the 2 D/F's, I have to look at the tach to see gear changes. It just keeps getting smoother. Every once in awhile I feel (barely) the shift but for all practical purposes it's pretty close to invisible too. Either transmission is top of the line. Just slightly different.
08-10-17, 06:33 PM
#11
Lexus Champion
LOL after the 2 D/F's, I have to look at the tach to see gear changes. It just keeps getting smoother. Every once in awhile I feel (barely) the shift but for all practical purposes it's pretty close to invisible too. Either transmission is top of the line. Just slightly different.
08-10-17, 11:40 PM
#12
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Thread Starter
Had a look at it and definitely giving it a miss. Was too rough, but that was reflected in the price. Had been resprayed - the colour was good, the finish was terrible! Gives me more time to sell my GS300 :P
08-11-17, 09:52 AM
#13
Moderator
Probably a wise choice to pass one that one. The re-spray will never hold up like the original paint. On a side note, are you a fan of Mighty Car Mods? I stumbled on their You Tube videos about a year ago and have been a huge fan since (Yes I bought a chopped fingers flag to hang in my garage!)
08-12-17, 10:06 PM
#14
Racer
Had an 01 Base. Great car and ultra reliable. Simple means (hopefully) fewer repairs. Can also upgrade the stereo easily w/ something high end that includes good NAV. The 5 speed is invisible. Those are the reasons I'd choose an 01-03. They are a real bargain.
I bought my 04 for the 6 speed, Sports Suspension, facelift and color combo. Manual shift, better gas mileage, feels faster, handles better. Now? The Smart Key is pretty cool. Back up cam IS useful. So are the sensors. ML audio a mixed blessing. Cooled seats useless. JMO but the 18's look better. Same with design update but only an LS owner would notice the difference.
If you want a nice car, buy an 01-03 and upgrade. I plan to keep mine for years so paid extra to get pretty much exactly what I wanted.
I bought my 04 for the 6 speed, Sports Suspension, facelift and color combo. Manual shift, better gas mileage, feels faster, handles better. Now? The Smart Key is pretty cool. Back up cam IS useful. So are the sensors. ML audio a mixed blessing. Cooled seats useless. JMO but the 18's look better. Same with design update but only an LS owner would notice the difference.
If you want a nice car, buy an 01-03 and upgrade. I plan to keep mine for years so paid extra to get pretty much exactly what I wanted.
yeah I definitely prefer the looks of the newer model but tallcaguy was quite right..only an LS owner would know the difference, ha.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
aside from the looks, some folks prefer the 5 speed tranny of the earlier model...I sure do. Not a big deal but I'd rather have that than the 6 sp which just shifts too often for my taste. How these people with 8 speeds tranny deal with it is beyond me.
We went with an 06 for all the reasons tallca stated. The 04-06 doesn't look as dated as the 01-03, even to non-Lexus enthusiasts. I'd rather get an LS 400 than an 01-03 LS 430 if I couldn't swing an 04+. The 01-03 provides a very comfortable ride, especially on 16s but it does lean a lot more in turns, which is expected. The 04-06 feels more planted and less floaty while still providing a supremely comfortable ride. Good luck on your search but I would pass on the one that has the cracked ignition barrel, sounds like it's a salvaged title.
08-13-17, 05:18 AM
#15
Hey man, I'm in brisbane and have an 05 LS430. Bought it 8 weeks ago from Springwood Lexus. I wouldn't buy that WOVR LS430, I paid $12k for mine at the dealer. Just wait til the right one comes around, I did. Of course on Friday night some S.O.B ran into me on the centenary freeway so now I'm driving an Infiniti Q50 til the LS is repaired.
If you wanna come see my car just PM me.
If you wanna come see my car just PM me.