I always thought our smart keys were really outdated
#1
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I always thought our smart keys were really outdated
Where you have to still twist to start, but if I'm not mistaken, Porsches still do that! I know they did in '15, and haven't driven one since, but this shows '17 hasn't changed...
What isn't clear is it does sound like computer control starts the car, not the user, kind of like a GM car that didn't have a push to start button--the computer is still engaging and releasing the starter.
At any rate, heck if it's good enough for Porsche, it's good enough for my LS430!
http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...+engine+pg.252
What isn't clear is it does sound like computer control starts the car, not the user, kind of like a GM car that didn't have a push to start button--the computer is still engaging and releasing the starter.
At any rate, heck if it's good enough for Porsche, it's good enough for my LS430!
http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...+engine+pg.252
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I'm just happy that I can leave the key in my pocket when I drive the stupid thing..
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Having a toggle or turn switch is a significant advantage. Start buttons are a very bad design that can cause confusion in critical situations when user is trying to stop the engine from running. With a toggle or turn switch you can instantly tell what "position" the system is in - on or off. Start buttons provide zero information.
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Having a toggle or turn switch is a significant advantage. Start buttons are a very bad design that can cause confusion in critical situations when user is trying to stop the engine from running. With a toggle or turn switch you can instantly tell what "position the system is in - on or off. Start buttons provide zero information.
I prefer the button but that's me, and from the first time I used one, in 12/06, I always for whatever reason equated presses from off to be accessory, then start. Then, when running, one press shuts down. But on the BMW, from this scenario, one can lock the vehicle and the electronics go from accessory to off. The vehicle would not, as designed, go from running, to off, when locked with the fob and the fob goes away (into a house, office, etc.).
I have been told with Porsche, it's simply tradition. Like having the handbrake to the left of the driver's seat, and the key to the left of the steering column...
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You can turn off a "runaway" car by pressing the Start/Stop button for 3 seconds.
You can enter "Accessory" mode by pressing the S/S button without your foot on the brake.
You can turn off the car but enter "Accessory" mode by pressing S/S while still in gear.
You can however (as described by JohnHav430) walk off and miss the three (3) little chirps
and the car will run till dry!
You can enter "Accessory" mode by pressing the S/S button without your foot on the brake.
You can turn off the car but enter "Accessory" mode by pressing S/S while still in gear.
You can however (as described by JohnHav430) walk off and miss the three (3) little chirps
and the car will run till dry!
#10
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Mercedes still do that sort of thing in some models. It looks like it wouldn't be too hard to break a smart key if something happened and hit it.
Mine is weak. It doesn't even have the immobiliser. The original clamshell remote broke apart and I lost the internals in my partner's VR4 Legnum somewhere. But the Yeti still started up just fine without it
Mine is weak. It doesn't even have the immobiliser. The original clamshell remote broke apart and I lost the internals in my partner's VR4 Legnum somewhere. But the Yeti still started up just fine without it
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If you think that's ridiculous, the S2K used both a key to unlock the steering wheel and turn on the car's systems but there's a start button to start the engine. You turn the key to stop the engine.
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FPV Ford Falcons are the same, its just a button boogied into the starting circuit
#13
The S2000 is actually kind of a throwback to really old cars from the 20's/30's/40's. Those cars had keys too, you turned the key to the "on" position, then the starter was turned over with a button on the floor.
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Nothing wrong with tradition (like when Saabs had to go into R before the key could be removed from the floor console)....I like when the key is not in the steering column...
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