Anyway else tired of their ls430?
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I haven't had my LS long enough to get tired of it yet. But I can say this... I do the same thing with this car as I did when I first started driving 26 years ago. I look for reasons to drive somewhere. I never even did that with my modded 2016 Nissan 370Z!
I only wish this platform had more of a following than it does. Not a huge amount as far as aftermarket goes, not a whole heck of a lot of action in the forums. Of course, I know a lot of that has to do with the age of the vehicle. Oh well. I still love the car and have some unique plans for it down the road.
I only wish this platform had more of a following than it does. Not a huge amount as far as aftermarket goes, not a whole heck of a lot of action in the forums. Of course, I know a lot of that has to do with the age of the vehicle. Oh well. I still love the car and have some unique plans for it down the road.
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after driving my GL350 for 7K miles in the last month (Uber, hello!) i sure do miss the LS and drive it anywhere possible where i don't have to drive the GL
GL is rattly, squeaky, and soooo harsh on the bumps! grrr, like this car is riding on no suspension at all even though it's got air bags...
get back in the LS and it's like - ahhhh!!! this is awesome!!!
so, nope, she's not going anywhere
GL is rattly, squeaky, and soooo harsh on the bumps! grrr, like this car is riding on no suspension at all even though it's got air bags...
get back in the LS and it's like - ahhhh!!! this is awesome!!!
so, nope, she's not going anywhere
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Sometimes I still do it.
It's just so soothing and refined in everything it does.
I can objectively say the LS430 is/was one of the most refined cars in the world.
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In San Antonio and driving a rent a box. Yes the lane change alert, high res back up cam, display and push button start are cool. However, nothing beats the quality of an LS. Sports Suspension does add to the car (for me). Yeah maybe I'll buy something fancy one of these days. Tried a Tesla. Nice car but interior finish isn't even close to an LS. Our LS stays in the family.
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I'm came to the conclusion that the ls430 is not for me. I've been trying to like it for over a year now but I just can't get past the floaty ride, over assisted steering and highway wander. I have a base 01 with stock suspension and 16" wheels.
I love how reliable and well made the car is but I think is time for me to move on. I bought an 08 vw rabbit last month and I've only drove the Lexus a few times since then
I love how reliable and well made the car is but I think is time for me to move on. I bought an 08 vw rabbit last month and I've only drove the Lexus a few times since then
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Is a 1989 BMW or Mercedes Benz outdated? Yes. Are they special? Yes. The 2001-2006 LS430 has something about it that in 2019 still says it's outdated, and special. These are not exclusive of one another.
And seriously, 312 lbs. ft. may not be anything to write home to mother about, but name the 2019 vehicles that make that without a turbocharger. Those are the cars one wants.
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Look at a 2019 LS and it ponders the question should Lexus even exist today? Maybe the 3rd gen was the pinnacle of the car co. The RX screams "nothing special" about the marque. Nearly $60k nothing special
Is a 1989 BMW or Mercedes Benz outdated? Yes. Are they special? Yes. The 2001-2006 LS430 has something about it that in 2019 still says it's outdated, and special. These are not exclusive of one another.
And seriously, 312 lbs. ft. may not be anything to write home to mother about, but name the 2019 vehicles that make that without a turbocharger. Those are the cars one wants.
Is a 1989 BMW or Mercedes Benz outdated? Yes. Are they special? Yes. The 2001-2006 LS430 has something about it that in 2019 still says it's outdated, and special. These are not exclusive of one another.
And seriously, 312 lbs. ft. may not be anything to write home to mother about, but name the 2019 vehicles that make that without a turbocharger. Those are the cars one wants.
About the engine, it's probably the smoothest engine ever made (at the very least that's up for debate), and it's plenty torquey. You can barely touch over 2k RPM wafting away from a light and still be ahead of traffic. LS is no Hellcat but it has very good acceleration and the V8 is always eager to respond....and it sounds great.
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I agree. I think the LS430 is the W126 of LSs. It's definitely a special car. There wouldn't be such demand for them if it weren't. Look a few posts above where I said 3 service advisors at Lexus have 430s. One SA totaled hers and bought another one, actually from a friend of mine lol.
About the engine, it's probably the smoothest engine ever made (at the very least that's up for debate), and it's plenty torquey. You can barely touch over 2k RPM wafting away from a light and still be ahead of traffic. LS is no Hellcat but it has very good acceleration and the V8 is always eager to respond....and it sounds great.
About the engine, it's probably the smoothest engine ever made (at the very least that's up for debate), and it's plenty torquey. You can barely touch over 2k RPM wafting away from a light and still be ahead of traffic. LS is no Hellcat but it has very good acceleration and the V8 is always eager to respond....and it sounds great.
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If I may, most compare the LS430 more to the W130 (W130 photo courtesy of Paul, LS 430 photo courtesy of Oxmoor Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram) ... I like the LS430 very much. But, there is really not the demand there was for them anymore. However, the lower demand gives one who may be interested, an opportunity to chose from many and to acquire one attractively ...
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But the W140 was a nightmare in many areas, are a nightmare to maintain, etc. Electrical systems, biodegrading wiring harnesses, engine issues, etc. I'd have one myself but they cost too much to maintain. But the W140 is badazz believe me I agree.
The W126s before it were pretty bulletproof and basic, nothing too fancy on them.
That's how I feel the LS430 is now. It's not a very complex car (at least compared to a 2020 something) and it's easy to work on. And, like that W126, LS430 is as solid as a bank vault.
BTW, there is definitely demand for LS430s here. The other day my service advisor told me that if I let the dealer buy my car from me, that it would be gone again by the end of the day. LS430 is held in very high regard by the dealer.
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I don't disagree, at all, that Lexus copied the design of the W140 (which is also one of my favorite cars).
But the W140 was a nightmare in many areas, are a nightmare to maintain, etc. Electrical systems, biodegrading wiring harnesses, engine issues, etc. I'd have one myself but they cost too much to maintain. But the W140 is badazz believe me I agree.
The W126s before it were pretty bulletproof and basic, nothing too fancy on them.
That's how I feel the LS430 is now. It's not a very complex car (at least compared to a 2020 something) and it's easy to work on. And, like that W126, LS430 is as solid as a bank vault.
BTW, there is definitely demand for LS430s here. The other day my service advisor told me that if I let the dealer buy my car from me, that it would be gone again by the end of the day. LS430 is held in very high regard by the dealer.
But the W140 was a nightmare in many areas, are a nightmare to maintain, etc. Electrical systems, biodegrading wiring harnesses, engine issues, etc. I'd have one myself but they cost too much to maintain. But the W140 is badazz believe me I agree.
The W126s before it were pretty bulletproof and basic, nothing too fancy on them.
That's how I feel the LS430 is now. It's not a very complex car (at least compared to a 2020 something) and it's easy to work on. And, like that W126, LS430 is as solid as a bank vault.
BTW, there is definitely demand for LS430s here. The other day my service advisor told me that if I let the dealer buy my car from me, that it would be gone again by the end of the day. LS430 is held in very high regard by the dealer.
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LS430 just change the oil and timing belt, fill with gas and forget it for 100k miles. They just drive and drive and drive. I've had mine 8 years and it still drives identically to how it did when I bought it then.
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If I may, most compare the LS430 more to the W130 (W130 photo courtesy of Paul, LS 430 photo courtesy of Oxmoor Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram) ... I like the LS430 very much. But, there is really not the demand there was for them anymore. However, the lower demand gives one who may be interested, an opportunity to chose from many and to acquire one attractively ...
![](https://germancarsforsaleblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mt3045.jpg)
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That V12 on the c pillar brought back memories. A girl I knew in Montreal, her boss drove a black one. It was in 1996.
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That was a $140,000 car....25 years ago.. Insanity.
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Right this instant, I am totally comfortable with what a used S63 AMG goes for, when it's a 2013 (interior is beautiful and 186 mph top speed with perf pkg). The issue is the TCO that I need to get a feel for and its DIY. I bet TCO is higher than a brand new 2019 RX350, just for illustration. My point is how "impractical" can we get when we are a "family man."
Driving a LS430 (and I do enjoy it because performance is not everything, I get the reliability part too it's valuable) enables me to have bigger and better choices down the road. I was gonna get a Golf R or M2--look at how much expense I avoided in 2016 by getting the LS430 used.
Wife has it today I'm filling her SUV up across the bridge. She takes relatively good care of it when she drives it, but the mpgs go down.
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