I am looking for a quality air shock for my LS600h (2008)
12-17-23, 11:11 AM
#16
Intermediate
I need rear right air shock for my 2008 LS600h.
What about these are offers?
Do you know any of them?
Aerosus
EBAY offer
Or do you have any other idea?
Maybe I have to buy genuine from EMIRATES ?
What about these are offers?
Do you know any of them?
Aerosus
EBAY offer
Or do you have any other idea?
Maybe I have to buy genuine from EMIRATES ?
ps Nevermind. I just read Striker223’s post.
Last edited by Tdes395; 12-17-23 at 11:17 AM.
12-17-23, 11:13 AM
#17
Intermediate
It's a junk design with exposed air bellows, hasn't changed since the LS400 and they aren't even rebuildable.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/17606168701...iABEgLUMfD_BwE
You can see the rubber exposed on the bottom with no guards and the slip over configuration of the upper half over the bag. The bottom frays and fails and the rubber is always exposed to elements.
https://rebuildmastertech.com/audi-a...iABEgLFLPD_BwE
Vs these that are totally enclosed, have a metal and sealed section that contains the actual airbag, and are rebuildable. However the difference is the Germans actually vastly improved their air suspensions generation to generation since it's STANDARD on all their cars of this level. This forces far better design and more importantly aftermarket support and ability to rebuild, Lexus still offers coil spring suspension to this day on the LS500.
Due to it being an option Lexus is still using a mid 90s design of strut, and as a result I've replaced a TON of air struts on Lexus cars. I've only ever replaced struts on first gen German systems like the W220 and D3, and those have access to updated version that I have personally seen do 120k on one of the W220s with zero issues.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/17606168701...iABEgLUMfD_BwE
You can see the rubber exposed on the bottom with no guards and the slip over configuration of the upper half over the bag. The bottom frays and fails and the rubber is always exposed to elements.
https://rebuildmastertech.com/audi-a...iABEgLFLPD_BwE
Vs these that are totally enclosed, have a metal and sealed section that contains the actual airbag, and are rebuildable. However the difference is the Germans actually vastly improved their air suspensions generation to generation since it's STANDARD on all their cars of this level. This forces far better design and more importantly aftermarket support and ability to rebuild, Lexus still offers coil spring suspension to this day on the LS500.
Due to it being an option Lexus is still using a mid 90s design of strut, and as a result I've replaced a TON of air struts on Lexus cars. I've only ever replaced struts on first gen German systems like the W220 and D3, and those have access to updated version that I have personally seen do 120k on one of the W220s with zero issues.
that said as a preventative measure, simply getting a protective covering around the rubber bellows would greatly extend the life correct?
Last edited by Tdes395; 12-17-23 at 11:20 AM.
12-17-23, 10:21 PM
#18
Lexus Champion
Contrast this to me having zero fear or issue buying two German air cars because those have a better design and are so much cheaper to own, on top of being just outright superior.
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12-18-23, 07:06 AM
#21
Thanks for your opinion. This forum is to advance Lexus knowledge, not German crap. It's Club Lexus not Club Audi/Mercedes/German. German cars are demonstrably more expensive to maintain.
12-18-23, 07:13 AM
#22
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Says the new member telling long time members how this forum works. I'm think you mean well. Once you're around longer, hopefully you'll see that we encourage hearing about others experience.
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12-18-23, 07:22 AM
#23
Yes, thanks for being condescending. New to this forum but not in general. Talking crap about the forum you are in gets you banned in the other forums. I don't go to the Audi forums and talk crap about their cars. Encourage people's experience with Lexus.
12-18-23, 08:09 AM
#24
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You're right, I was condescending. That was wrong of me. Please consider that this forum is not the same as other forums. Hope you can make friends and earn their respect here as time goes by.
12-18-23, 09:01 AM
#25
New blood, hot blood...
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12-18-23, 10:29 AM
#26
Intermediate
12-18-23, 12:43 PM
#27
Lexus Champion
12-18-23, 12:48 PM
#28
Lexus Champion
I however also work on all of them. It's not some abstract for me or in theory type statements, I can tell you exact differences and what breaks how often and how hard it is to fix.
The LS460 was Lexus attempt to make a car on the level of the Germans and it's far more complex than nearly anything else they have ever made and that shows up with the issues it has. They also never improved it over a 10 year span and the LS500 has even MORE issues and it's all a result of trying to compete at the level of the Germans. The air suspension is a great example of the differences, can also get a coil spring equipped LS but while more reliable in the sense it won't ever leak it's NEVER going to be on the same level as a skyhook system.
12-19-23, 07:03 AM
#29
Sure dude. Please tell me more about how awesome your German cars are. Is that why they depreciate more? Or that they cost more in maintenance? Or that their calculated lifespan is 100-125k miles while Toyota/Lexus is 250k+.
Coilover springs do leak. They compress hydraulic oil. Surprised you didn't know that. Are you sure you work on cars?
Your 2012 Audi A8 W12 has depreciated 89%. Avg yearly maint cost $1,500
Your 2015 Audi A8 4.0T has depreciated 77%. Avg yearly maint cost $1,300
Your 2012 Toyota Sequoia has depreciated 64%. Avg yearly maint cost $697
Your 2007 Lexus LS 460 has depreciated 89%. Avg yearly maint cost $478.
Coilover springs do leak. They compress hydraulic oil. Surprised you didn't know that. Are you sure you work on cars?
Your 2012 Audi A8 W12 has depreciated 89%. Avg yearly maint cost $1,500
Your 2015 Audi A8 4.0T has depreciated 77%. Avg yearly maint cost $1,300
Your 2012 Toyota Sequoia has depreciated 64%. Avg yearly maint cost $697
Your 2007 Lexus LS 460 has depreciated 89%. Avg yearly maint cost $478.
12-19-23, 08:20 AM
#30
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johnny, let the moderators do the moderating please. If you have a problem with another members post, report it and let us review.
For everyone, let’s keep things polite and mature. This is not a euro vs Japanese thread.
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