LS 600H press Conference Live 9:25 a.m. on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 pg52
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WSJ says LS600hL will hit $100K pricetag . . .
Originally Posted by LEXUS FAN!
Base prices...guesses
LS460: $64,000 fully loaded $78,000
LS460L: $68,000 fully loaded...$82,000
LS600hL: $92,000
LS460: $64,000 fully loaded $78,000
LS460L: $68,000 fully loaded...$82,000
LS600hL: $92,000
The Wall Street Journal
Sporty design, increased horsepower aimed at attracting younger drivers
When Lexus — long the sedate, dutiful child of the luxury-auto family — unveiled a bold, sleek redesign of its flagship car on Sunday in Detroit, there was no mistaking the brand is heading someplace new — straight at BMW’s top-of-the-line 7-series.
Ever since the first Lexus LS was introduced in 1989, it has been solid, super-quiet and ultrareliable, but it would never be confused with the BMW.
The new Lexus LS 460 — with a sportier design and increased horsepower — demonstrates the Japanese brand’s shift of competitive focus away from DaimlerChrysler’s Mercedes-Benz and toward BMW’s “ultimate driving machine” image.
Bob Carter, Lexus’ general manager, avoids mentioning BMW, but he says the new LS, coupled with a pair of less expensive models introduced last year, is an effort to go after younger buyers and compete more seriously in the performance category, long BMW’s preserve.
“Our performance was always competitive but not viewed by the public as class-leading,” Carter said. “So that’s a segment we wanted to get into.”
The new Lexus LS 460 has the world’s first eight-speed transmission and a 4.6-liter V8 engine with 360 horsepower, compared with the old LS, which has a six-speed transmission and a 4.3-liter V8 engine with 278 horsepower. The BMW 750i has a 4.8 liter V8 engine with 360 horsepower and six-speed transmission.
The new LS also will be more expensive than Toyota’s past Lexus vehicles, surpassing the $70,000 mark, as the company makes a bid to up the ante on luxury and the sticker price that goes along with it.
The current LS has a starting price of $57,220. The company will hit the $100,000 price tag for the first time with a longer, hybrid version of the LS. That vehicle will compete head on with Mercedes’ S600, which is only available in the long wheelbase, and BMW’s 760Li, neither of which are hybrids.
Like other carmakers, such as GM’s Cadillac, Lexus sees growth in the high end of the luxury market in vehicles priced more than $70,000 and into the $100,000 range.
In its relatively short, 17-year history, Lexus has been extremely successful, leading the luxury segment for the past six years. The new LS is part of Lexus’ move that began last year to create more excitement about its vehicles. The first Lexus models to take on the new, sportier attitude were the IS and GS sedans launched in 2005.
The IS competes with the BMW 3-series, while the GS goes against the 5-series. One GS slogan: “The GS is so fast you’ll spend less time in your car.”
Carter says the new vehicles have brought in buyers in their 30s. Lexus is also considering producing the LF-A, a concept vehicle unveiled last year. The vehicle has more than 500 horsepower and could go as fast as 200 miles per hour.
“We have people coming in who have never been in a Lexus dealership before,” Carter said.
When Lexus — long the sedate, dutiful child of the luxury-auto family — unveiled a bold, sleek redesign of its flagship car on Sunday in Detroit, there was no mistaking the brand is heading someplace new — straight at BMW’s top-of-the-line 7-series.
Ever since the first Lexus LS was introduced in 1989, it has been solid, super-quiet and ultrareliable, but it would never be confused with the BMW.
The new Lexus LS 460 — with a sportier design and increased horsepower — demonstrates the Japanese brand’s shift of competitive focus away from DaimlerChrysler’s Mercedes-Benz and toward BMW’s “ultimate driving machine” image.
Bob Carter, Lexus’ general manager, avoids mentioning BMW, but he says the new LS, coupled with a pair of less expensive models introduced last year, is an effort to go after younger buyers and compete more seriously in the performance category, long BMW’s preserve.
“Our performance was always competitive but not viewed by the public as class-leading,” Carter said. “So that’s a segment we wanted to get into.”
The new Lexus LS 460 has the world’s first eight-speed transmission and a 4.6-liter V8 engine with 360 horsepower, compared with the old LS, which has a six-speed transmission and a 4.3-liter V8 engine with 278 horsepower. The BMW 750i has a 4.8 liter V8 engine with 360 horsepower and six-speed transmission.
The new LS also will be more expensive than Toyota’s past Lexus vehicles, surpassing the $70,000 mark, as the company makes a bid to up the ante on luxury and the sticker price that goes along with it.
The current LS has a starting price of $57,220. The company will hit the $100,000 price tag for the first time with a longer, hybrid version of the LS. That vehicle will compete head on with Mercedes’ S600, which is only available in the long wheelbase, and BMW’s 760Li, neither of which are hybrids.
Like other carmakers, such as GM’s Cadillac, Lexus sees growth in the high end of the luxury market in vehicles priced more than $70,000 and into the $100,000 range.
In its relatively short, 17-year history, Lexus has been extremely successful, leading the luxury segment for the past six years. The new LS is part of Lexus’ move that began last year to create more excitement about its vehicles. The first Lexus models to take on the new, sportier attitude were the IS and GS sedans launched in 2005.
The IS competes with the BMW 3-series, while the GS goes against the 5-series. One GS slogan: “The GS is so fast you’ll spend less time in your car.”
Carter says the new vehicles have brought in buyers in their 30s. Lexus is also considering producing the LF-A, a concept vehicle unveiled last year. The vehicle has more than 500 horsepower and could go as fast as 200 miles per hour.
“We have people coming in who have never been in a Lexus dealership before,” Carter said.
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^^^ i can raise my hand to that...in my 30's and never considered a lexus until the GS...and man all this debate...this LS will do wonders and will severly hamper BMW and Mercedes' sales. Now this LS isnt the old farts big sedan anymore it'll be a car for when i'm in my 40's
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Sounds about right to me. With an increased price tag, we will probably see a differnt group of people as well. But yes, to attract attention from the Bimmer MB fans, they need to come with class leading stuff like the 8speed he mentioned above.
They are doing a good job so far.
They are doing a good job so far.
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oh there is one thing that I would like to see...a SPORT OPTION!!!! if you're going against BMW offer up the goods on the sport package e.g. suspension, big wheels, interior enhancements etc. AND FOR GOD's SAKE offer a MANUAL tranny as an option
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Originally Posted by foofighter
AND FOR GOD's SAKE offer a MANUAL tranny as an option
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yeah on the gs is already far stretch imho
anyway, 100k for the 600hl huh? seems like it only comes fully loaded, which might really end up NOT being my car coz' i want 5 seats still..... if it's 460l fully loaded for 80k, i guess i will hit it. wait for it to drop to invoice price and we will see low to mid 70s seems like a good 20k away from the 600hl
but yeah, i am so thankful 3 yrs ago when i got my gs. totally changed my view on what's a good car
anyway, 100k for the 600hl huh? seems like it only comes fully loaded, which might really end up NOT being my car coz' i want 5 seats still..... if it's 460l fully loaded for 80k, i guess i will hit it. wait for it to drop to invoice price and we will see low to mid 70s seems like a good 20k away from the 600hl
but yeah, i am so thankful 3 yrs ago when i got my gs. totally changed my view on what's a good car
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Originally Posted by rominl
anyway, 100k for the 600hl huh? seems like it only comes fully loaded, which might really end up NOT being my car coz' i want 5 seats still..... if it's 460l fully loaded for 80k, i guess i will hit it. wait for it to drop to invoice price and we will see low to mid 70s seems like a good 20k away from the 600hl )
My 500hp car if I'm lucky enough to be able to get one in the future, will not be a sedan, but a sports car. . .
#372
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Originally Posted by enigma354
Yeah I wonder what the sales breakdown will be...
Lemme guess...
LS 460...65%
LS 460L...30%
LS 600h---5%
Lemme guess...
LS 460...65%
LS 460L...30%
LS 600h---5%
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
I' ve said all along that I doubt I really need to go up to LS600h & spend the extra $$, & that LS460 should be good enough for me. Now that we know the 460 will get about 370-380 hp/torque, I am pretty sure about what my choice will be
My 500hp car if I'm lucky enough to be able to get one in the future, will not be a sedan, but a sports car. . .
My 500hp car if I'm lucky enough to be able to get one in the future, will not be a sedan, but a sports car. . .
#374
LS460 Reveal now available
For those that missed the reveal the video is now available. Click on Archived Videos
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#375
All those funny 7-series comparisons...
Remember when the 3GEN GS pics came out, lot of people said that sideview is like 5-series, rear is like Nissan Maxima etc. Lot of really stupid comparisons. In reality 3gen GS turned out to be very sexy, sleek and original. One of the best looking sedans in years. Now same with the LS. Just wait... irl the new LS will be phenomenal and original.
Remember when the 3GEN GS pics came out, lot of people said that sideview is like 5-series, rear is like Nissan Maxima etc. Lot of really stupid comparisons. In reality 3gen GS turned out to be very sexy, sleek and original. One of the best looking sedans in years. Now same with the LS. Just wait... irl the new LS will be phenomenal and original.