So those who have driven an LS430 and LS460 - how much quieter is the LS460?
10-29-06, 07:34 PM
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This handling aura around 7 is just the media perpetrated stereotypes and is a pure marketing gimmick. This gimmick has been thoroughly debunked by the handling prowess of the new LS.
The new LS can beat any flagship sedan on road and on track and this is as true as the sun rising from the east everyday. Read the recent automobile article by a trusted journalist and you will know. here is the proof:
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...7_lexus_ls460/
The new LS can beat any flagship sedan on road and on track and this is as true as the sun rising from the east everyday. Read the recent automobile article by a trusted journalist and you will know. here is the proof:
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...7_lexus_ls460/
Another article by world renowned journalist Paul Frere further debunks this BMW humbuggery. Here is the proof:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3902
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3902
LS did not even try to make a sporty car and yet its handling has surpassed 7 with utmost ease.
And do you work in marketing? "utmost ease" - lol
I truly believe that the reason why Lexus is not building track ready performance LS is because they do not want BMW to go bankrupt.
You do know BMW is one of the most profitable care companies in the world, and I believe, also a private one?
I meant financially bankrupt, BMW is already morally bankrupt. The success that BMW enjoys is pure marketing. The success that LS enjoys is based mostly on innovation and hardwork not gimmickery. 
Engineering is what makes LS so quiet and mystical.
Let BMW learn how to pronounce "engineering" first and then we will talk further.
Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, are all innovative in different ways.
10-29-06, 08:30 PM
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Thank you for the detailed and a tough defense in the service of the sultans of munchen.
However, the way Paul and cumberford wrote, it can mean only one thing. BMW is great in propaganda and lexus is great in innovation.
Thats why Lexus executives pointed out in the past that in order to be truly successful they must emulate BMW marketing tactics. Simply depending on innovation means using the sword but not the shield and the armor.
Lexus is gradually learning some of BMW tactics with benefit and there is still a long road ahead.
However, the way Paul and cumberford wrote, it can mean only one thing. BMW is great in propaganda and lexus is great in innovation.
Thats why Lexus executives pointed out in the past that in order to be truly successful they must emulate BMW marketing tactics. Simply depending on innovation means using the sword but not the shield and the armor.
Lexus is gradually learning some of BMW tactics with benefit and there is still a long road ahead.
10-29-06, 09:15 PM
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This handling aura around 7 is just the media perpetrated stereotypes and is a pure marketing gimmick. This gimmick has been thoroughly debunked by the handling prowess of the new LS.
The new LS can beat any flagship sedan on road and on track and this is as true as the sun rising from the east everyday. Read the recent automobile article by a trusted journalist and you will know. here is the proof:
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...7_lexus_ls460/
Another article by world renowned journalist Paul Frere further debunks this BMW humbuggery. Here is the proof:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3902
You are right in pointing out that LS is not trying to be anybody. LS did not even try to make a sporty car and yet its handling has surpassed 7 with utmost ease.
I truly believe that the reason why Lexus is not building track ready performance LS is because they do not want BMW to go bankrupt. I meant financially bankrupt, BMW is already morally bankrupt. The success that BMW enjoys is pure marketing. The success that LS enjoys is based mostly on innovation and hardwork not gimmickery.
Anyhow, this thread is on quietness of LS and even in this department LS has soundly thrashed 7-series with ease. There are multiple reasons around the quiet superiority of 460.
1) Class leading low drag coefficient which BMW will never be able to accomplish.
2) World class suspension and insulation which BMW cannot even dream of.
3) Lightweight and ultrasmooth, low friction engine and gearbox, the like of which BMW is incapable of matching even by 2050.
Engineering is what makes LS so quiet and mystical. Let BMW learn how to pronounce "engineering" first and then we will talk further.
The new LS can beat any flagship sedan on road and on track and this is as true as the sun rising from the east everyday. Read the recent automobile article by a trusted journalist and you will know. here is the proof:
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...7_lexus_ls460/
Another article by world renowned journalist Paul Frere further debunks this BMW humbuggery. Here is the proof:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3902
You are right in pointing out that LS is not trying to be anybody. LS did not even try to make a sporty car and yet its handling has surpassed 7 with utmost ease.
I truly believe that the reason why Lexus is not building track ready performance LS is because they do not want BMW to go bankrupt. I meant financially bankrupt, BMW is already morally bankrupt. The success that BMW enjoys is pure marketing. The success that LS enjoys is based mostly on innovation and hardwork not gimmickery.
Anyhow, this thread is on quietness of LS and even in this department LS has soundly thrashed 7-series with ease. There are multiple reasons around the quiet superiority of 460.
1) Class leading low drag coefficient which BMW will never be able to accomplish.
2) World class suspension and insulation which BMW cannot even dream of.
3) Lightweight and ultrasmooth, low friction engine and gearbox, the like of which BMW is incapable of matching even by 2050.
Engineering is what makes LS so quiet and mystical. Let BMW learn how to pronounce "engineering" first and then we will talk further.
BTW, this thread is about the quietness of the new LS460. Why are most threads ended up talking about the BMW or MB.... insecurity?
10-30-06, 05:50 AM
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And both companies are very innovative.
Lexus is gradually learning some of BMW tactics with benefit and there is still a long road ahead.
They all end up having to do the same thing basically, with differences in style and execution.
10-30-06, 09:46 AM
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I think you've just lost all your credibility (if you had any) with this reply but you surely gain some popularity among the lexusfanboys though.
BTW, this thread is about the quietness of the new LS460. Why are most threads ended up talking about the BMW or MB.... insecurity?
BTW, this thread is about the quietness of the new LS460. Why are most threads ended up talking about the BMW or MB.... insecurity?
many of us are too timid to take-on BMW because of the fear of criticism and what others might think if we admit the reality.
"Oh god! how could he say BMW is not fast and athletic, its heretic, he must be mad and should be crucified. Everybody parrots BMW's glories, why doesn't he. Oh my, oh my... "
I also explained in my earlier why LS has beaten 7-series hands down in quietness, comfort and agility apart from busting the 7-series handling myth.
BMW has been easily beaten on road and on track for past half century by practically every major manufacturer. One only has to look at F1 and Le mans records.
Anyhow, Lets go back to quietness, shall we...
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