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Old 12-11-06 | 02:38 PM
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A technical marvel, with plenty of features, but probably too expensive for most
Text: Ross Pinnock / Photos: Nathan Morgan December 2006



When it comes to luxury cars, heritage and image are everything - but try telling that to Lexus. The firm's flagship LS model only arrived in the UK in 1989, yet it has been snapping at the heels of the established German brands ever since.

Great refinement is another welcome by-product, and at motorway speeds wind noise is the only sound to disturb the peace, while the automatic air-suspension is in its element soaking up any bumps


The all-new model is the most advanced and luxurious example yet - and has the class-leading Mercedes S-Class firmly in its sights. We tried the range-topper on British roads to see if it hits the target.

From the outside, there's no mistaking the manufacturer's familiar look. However, the bold chrome grille and swept-back headlamps that sit so well on the firm's smaller models are less suited to the massive LS.

Smart details, such as the integrated exhaust pipes which form part of the rear bumper and the highly polished window trims, shout quality, but the overall effect is imposing rather than stylish. Inside, the cabin has every conceivable luxury - and a vast array of gadgets. These include a special diffuser above the rear passengers to recirculate the air and a camera that monitors the driver and warns of any obstacles ahead if your eyes stray from the road or you start nodding off.

Other groundbreaking safety features include a Honda-style Lane-Keep Assist set-up that prevents the car from drifting out of line on the motorway and emergency steering assistance, which sharpens the wheel's response to help the driver avoid a collision. There are also clever pre-crash systems designed to reduce the impact of both front and rear collisions.

The big LS can even park itself, thanks to a clever self-steering set-up which measures the size of a space before twirling the wheel - all you have to do is operate the pedals! Rear passengers, meanwhile, enjoy plenty of legroom and even get their own set of controls for the impressive 19-speaker stereo system. Electric reclining seats also boost comfort.

The Lexus has an all-new 375bhp 4.6 V8 engine and an eight-ratio auto - a world first. Engineers claim the new transmission optimises performance and fuel consumption, with combined economy of 25.4mpg and a claimed 0-62mph time of 5.7 seconds.

Great refinement is another welcome by-product, and at motorway speeds wind noise is the only sound to disturb the peace, while the automatic air-suspension is in its element soaking up any bumps. However, it's less accomplished in town, struggling to cope with smaller potholes and imperfections.

Negatives include the grabby electro-hydraulic brakes and the lifeless steering. And then there's the price, because the flagship SE-L costs a whopping £71,000. Cheaper rivals can't match the LS's kit count, but that's still a daunting figure. Entry-level models start from £57,000, while the SE is £65,000. Importantly, the new LS is an evolution of the outgoing car, so it won't alienate loyal owners - the firm has already taken 200 deposits. Sales projections are modest, though, with around 525 conventional cars and a further 250 LS600h petrol-electric hybrids expected to find homes next year. That at least guarantees customers some exclusivity.

FIRST OPINION

This new flagship is a technological marvel with an astonishing array of advanced and useful features. They join the traditional LS virtues of refinement and build quality – but just look at the hefty price! A bland interior and exterior – plus no diesel option and fears over residuals – mean that until the advanced hybrid arrives, the LS will trail behind rivals.

AT A GLANCE

The LS460 will be joined by the much anticipated LS600h hybrid next autumn. Unlike the standard petrol car, it will also be available in long-wheelbase guise, with prices from around £77,000.

Engine: 4.6-litre V8, 375bhp
0-60mph: 5.7 seconds
Econ/CO2: 25.4mpg261g/km
Price: £71,000
Old 12-11-06 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
This new flagship is a technological marvel with an astonishing array of advanced and useful features. They join the traditional LS virtues of refinement and build quality – but just look at the hefty price! A bland interior and exterior – plus no diesel option and fears over residuals – mean that until the advanced hybrid arrives, the LS will trail behind rivals.
Pretty much all the excuses the Europeans can come up with to bash Lexus and give it a 3/5 rating.

Lexus does need some diesel and smaller engines to do well outside the US though.
Old 12-11-06 | 03:19 PM
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Seems Lexus cannot produce enough hybrids for the Euro market and the IS 220d is also selling very well.
People want it, Lexus just needs to make it!

As for the review I don't mind what they think, the LS is just superb!
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well, maybe the is-f will be the first car we should really focus on
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what bullocks!
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Their only complaints were high price and no diesel option.

That really tells how good this cars is
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i always thought luxury was the most important part of luxury cars

and why arent they *****ing about the price of V8 BMW's and Mercedes?
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IMHO I think you can't please an english man no matter what.
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Originally Posted by PureDrifter
i always thought luxury was the most important part of luxury cars

and why arent they *****ing about the price of V8 BMW's and Mercedes?
because people buy 730i and S350 in Europe :-).

It is completly different market, and hybrid will score a lot better just for consumption/residuals.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
because people buy 730i and S350 in Europe :-).

It is completly different market, and hybrid will score a lot better just for consumption/residuals.
i know they offer 6-cyl versions of those cars but im saying why are they comparing the price of the LS460 to the 6-cyl versions of those cars instead of the V8 models?
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Originally Posted by jotafl
IMHO I think you can't please an english man no matter what.
Unless you give 'em a cup of tea
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
...and a camera that monitors the driver and warns of any obstacles ahead if your eyes stray from the road or you start nodding off.
Is this TRUE?!?!?
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Originally Posted by Pimp350
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
...and a camera that monitors the driver and warns of any obstacles ahead if your eyes stray from the road or you start nodding off.
Is this TRUE?!?!?
Yes. World's First Driver Monitoring System:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...ntative-safety
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Originally Posted by enigma888
Yes. World's First Driver Monitoring System:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...ntative-safety
except that the system isn't here in the US... yet
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To be honest I'm not sure what they are on about. I live in the UK and subscribe to Autoexpress magazine and that artical had me scratching me head.

A BMW 750i SE which is a direct competitor to the LS460 is actually more expensive than the Lexus and has less kit. The MB S500 is even more pricey than the BMW.

I think it comes down to brand kudos. Lexus just doesn't have the premium image in the UK that is does in the US and so UK buyers aren't willing to pay a premium price. When I swapped my Audi A8 for my GS430 there were many confused faces in the office. They couldn't understand why I would want to swap my magnificent Audi for a Toyota. This rings true with the residuals. A GS430 for example looses 37% of it's new price in the first year alone.

People in the UK seem happy to put up with shoddy service, unreliable cars and poor build quality in oder to drive a badge around. In the UK the Lexus badge doesn't have the same attraction as Audi, MB, BMW and dare I say it VW. We are changing but it's a slow process.


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