Helmar

All this talk about 0-60 times brings up an interesting perspective.

The Lexus LS460 is faster (0-60) than most of the stock muscle cars of the early 1970's, and I'll bet mileage is far better!

Lexus LS460/600hL - ~5.4

1971 Pontiac Trans Am 455 HO - 6.0

1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - 7.4

1999 Aston Martin DB7 (James Bond's car) - 5.7

1973 Corvette 454ci - 6.4

1970 Ferrari 330 GTS - 6.9

1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) - 5.8

1965 Jaguar XK-E II - 6.5

1979 Lamborghini Countach S - 5.9

1981 Porsche 911 SC - 6.7

HBH

Lexmex

A lot those muscle cars weighed a lot. Still an LS460, definitely would be an interesting match up.

Luxofreak

Well yeah... but most 70s muscle cars today that are on the streets have been restored, and usually with crate engines that put out more than 600hp.

I used to have a 2001 Pontiac WS6 that with just a cam and heads had more than 500hp. Would have put the LS in the dust by the 2nd/3rd gear. But again, different cars, different markets, different purposes.

Very interesting stats nonetheless.

RXSF

...5.4 is a little ambitious. Nobody has been able to match that.

Helmar

Not so with the LS600hL. Recent reviews peg it at 5.4-5.5.

Also, my point was how quick the LS is compared to those muscle cars.

I doubt I'd be confident enough to race for pinks though.... (How many out there know what that means?)

HBH

dfiorito

Isn't that when the loser has to give up his car?

I know I wouldn't do it.....

IronCobra

What you're not taking into consideration is the advancements in tires. The 72 Hemi Cuda ran 15s in the 1/4 mile back in the 70s. They took a stock Hemi Cuda and put modern slicks on it and it ran 11s...

chrispy

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And the LS460L isn't heavy? If anything the LS is probably heavier.

Good to see such a big car can still be quick.

zzzzdoc

Interesting.

I used my other car for pinks.

luxury1

I think they used REALLY high octane. I read a note next to one of the published time and it said times will vary with octane. They might have used 100 octane...

Nospinzone

The Lexus LS460 is faster (0-60) than most of the stock muscle cars of the early 1970's...

But what is the point? That is an extreme apples to oranges comparison. Here is an apples to apples, or oranges to oranges, comparison:



Aston Martin Vantage 5.1

Corvette Z06 3.6

Ferrari F430 3.9

Ford Mustang GT 5.0

Jaguar XKR 4.5

Lamborghini Gallardo 4.6

Porsche 911 Turbo 3.4

BTW, echoing RXSF, Car & Driver has the LS460L @ 6.2.

Helmar

But what is the point?

The point is simply that what were considered blisteringly fast high performance cars in the '70's, are now matched and exceeded by luxury sedans such as the LS600hL/460.

No huge point, just an interesting observation.

Comparing it to todays versions of those cars isn't what my point was.

HBH

zzzzdoc

All two seaters above, BTW. Apples to oranges, as you say.

It is an interesting comparison - new vs. old - but time marches on and there are inexpensive rice rockets that can outperform Ferraris of old. New and better.

And not just power - new cars handle significantly better than the old muscle cars. They were neet in a straight line, scary the first time you turned the wheel.

I think the stock LS600hL out-accelerates the 930 turbo I once had. That is crazy when you think about it.

garyr

Helmar,

I often thought of the same thing. Their has not been many production cars this fast since the 70's. The huge HP and 1/4 mile time were legendary in the 70's and now we are driving luxury sedans that shatter them. Yeah, I think thats very cool.

The 70's mussel cars handle like crap compared to today, are unreliable and uncomfortable. Makes you think in 30 years our Lex 460's may be in hot demand.