LS - 4th Gen (2007-2017) Discussion topics related to the current flagship models LS460, LS460L and LS600H

Aaargh ... brake dust.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-05-08, 01:25 PM
  #1  
Mike_TX
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
 
Mike_TX's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 1,155
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Unhappy Aaargh ... brake dust.

Have only a little over a hundred miles on my new LS, and I noticed the wheels are coated with brake dust. Reminds me of my BMW days ...

I'm hoping it's just the new brakes bedding in, but I know I'm just kidding myself.

.
.
Old 01-05-08, 02:42 PM
  #2  
Johnny
Pole Position
 
Johnny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sakon Nakhon
Posts: 2,730
Likes: 0
Received 20 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

They'll never be as bad as the European brake systems, but all cars now have eliminated asbestos lining which used to brake "clean" as it were. To compensate for this elimination, metalized linings which replaced them caused hot particles to be thrown against the lacquered wheel surfaces and if this was not removed soon, the wheels would eventually become caked with the stuff in some case making it impossible to clean at all. Japanese and North American cars did not suffer this fate fortunately and so they are much easier to clean, even when it is left on for a while.
Old 01-05-08, 03:53 PM
  #3  
Mike_TX
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
 
Mike_TX's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 1,155
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Burnaby
They'll never be as bad as the European brake systems, but all cars now have eliminated asbestos lining which used to brake "clean" as it were. To compensate for this elimination, metalized linings which replaced them caused hot particles to be thrown against the lacquered wheel surfaces and if this was not removed soon, the wheels would eventually become caked with the stuff in some case making it impossible to clean at all. Japanese and North American cars did not suffer this fate fortunately and so they are much easier to clean, even when it is left on for a while.
I've just been blessed not to have a brake dust problem with my last 3 or 4 cars, so it was with some dismay that I saw how much was generated in only 100 miles.

Oh, well.

.
.
Old 01-05-08, 08:22 PM
  #4  
rominl
exclusive matchup

iTrader: (4)
 
rominl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Lovely OC
Posts: 81,673
Received 190 Likes on 148 Posts
Default

yes, it's pretty bad. on the gs, you can request (there is a tsib) less dust pads (the ones from gs450h) under warranty.

maybe you can talk to dealership and see if the 600hl ones are different and less dust? or maybe even the gs450h ones?
Old 01-05-08, 08:32 PM
  #5  
bitkahuna
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
 
bitkahuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Present
Posts: 74,832
Received 2,428 Likes on 1,591 Posts
Default

Change the pads.
Old 01-06-08, 05:25 AM
  #6  
alsilverbullet
Instructor
 
alsilverbullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: South Florida
Posts: 1,211
Received 61 Likes on 18 Posts
Default

Hmm... that is very interesting? I have about 350 miles on my car and there is very minimal dust on on the wheels. Unless you are doing some spirited driving thus requiring very hard braking?
Old 01-06-08, 05:57 AM
  #7  
ccds
Driver
 
ccds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary Ab.
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I have minimal dust, but there is some dust

don't think you can ever get rid of it completely

Old 01-06-08, 07:41 AM
  #8  
zxc1
Driver School Candidate
 
zxc1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VA
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rominl
yes, it's pretty bad. on the gs, you can request (there is a tsib) less dust pads (the ones from gs450h) under warranty.

maybe you can talk to dealership and see if the 600hl ones are different and less dust? or maybe even the gs450h ones?
Do you think the dust problem will be worse with the 19 inch wheels with larger breaks?
Old 01-06-08, 07:50 AM
  #9  
Mike_TX
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
 
Mike_TX's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 1,155
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by alsilverbullet
Hmm... that is very interesting? I have about 350 miles on my car and there is very minimal dust on on the wheels. Unless you are doing some spirited driving thus requiring very hard braking?
Nope. Been babying her around, since the first couple of hundred miles on new pads are very important.

I'm just not used to having brake dust, and when I attacked it with glass cleaner there was even more on there than I thought.

And of course, it stained my fingers and I had to scrub all the skin off to get rid of it.

Like I said, maybe they're just bedding in and the dust will decrease. [fingers crossed]

.
.
Old 01-06-08, 08:07 AM
  #10  
CEOEngr
Intermediate
 
CEOEngr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 414
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I agree. I too don't like the brake dust either especially on chrome wheels. Also, please note that I have not noticed any reduction in dust with increase in mileage and time.
Old 01-06-08, 09:36 AM
  #11  
rominl
exclusive matchup

iTrader: (4)
 
rominl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Lovely OC
Posts: 81,673
Received 190 Likes on 148 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by zxc1
Do you think the dust problem will be worse with the 19 inch wheels with larger breaks?
umm, it could be, but i am not 100%. for the touring package, you have larger rotors, but i didn't read about more aggressive pads
Old 01-06-08, 12:57 PM
  #12  
zxc1
Driver School Candidate
 
zxc1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VA
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rominl
umm, it could be, but i am not 100%. for the touring package, you have larger rotors, but i didn't read about more aggressive pads
Thank you.
Old 01-07-08, 08:20 AM
  #13  
garyr
Pole Position
 
garyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 294
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Dirty wheels are a pet peeve of mine. I have the ceramic pads on my touring 19' wheels and they are just as bad. I clean my wheels every 2 days with S-100 detail polish. You can find it on-line or at motorcycle shops. You can spray it on a dirty wheel and it cleans it right up. It leaves wax behind so the next time it's easier. Also the yellow box, "rags in a box" (I forget who makes them) is made of cellulose not paper or wood so they will not scratch the wheel paint used often. I would NOT use them on the auto paint. You can get them at Ace Hardware or Home Depot.

I had dustless pads on my other car and they are not dustless, they cut down the brake dust by 50-60%.
Old 01-07-08, 08:28 AM
  #14  
SC400MAN
Pit Crew
iTrader: (1)
 
SC400MAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 207
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

The 19 inch wheels do in fact come with more agressive pads and will dust more. There is currently not a TSIB for this.
Old 01-07-08, 09:28 AM
  #15  
lexus111
Rookie
 
lexus111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Nevada
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I have ad my car for over a year now and I have not experienced that much brake dust. Obviously when it rains I see a little more but maybe it is because it is so dry in Vegas that I have not noticed it too much. I get my car washed about 2-3 times a week though so that is probably some of the reason that I don't see dust.


Quick Reply: Aaargh ... brake dust.



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:23 PM.