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Old 03-14-08, 08:03 AM
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Excellent points, Neo. And I actually agree that electric (in some form) might be the ultimate answer, especially if we ever get back to building nuclear generation plants to support our other needs.

The current constraints on battery power seem to be in range, packaging, expense and lifetime. I'm certainly no expert, but the things I read suggest acceptable range figures have been achieved only in small, fairly light vehicles packed with batteries. And then there's hours of recharging before you can resume traveling.

And I think the lifespan of the batteries is still up in the air under the kinds of conditions we'd subject them to. Heck, they haven't even decided what kind of batteries might work the best.

But I think you're right - that's still probably the most promising tech we've got right now!

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Originally Posted by kens97sto
One thing to keep in mind is that the CAFE stadards force the makers AVERAGE fuel economy accross the fleet of cars they produce... I am not sure if Lexus will get to use Toyota in that since they recently "officially" are separate now.. But since Toyota sells lots of Prius, Corrolla, Camry.. etc that get close to the 35 MPG.. they will really have to focus only on the cars that get really bad mileage... I am pretty sure that trucks and SUV's are rated seperately...

I drive a 94 LS... It's making 250HP and gets about 23MPG hwy. The new LS460 Is making 380HP and gets about the same MPG. Would it really be that much of a sacrafice to go back to the power of the original car?? I would bet that it would still be faster than my car with that 8 spd auto and get much better mileage with all the other new engine managment systems they have developed since the Ucf10 came out in 1990.

Have great day...

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Yikes! Good point ... if Lexus has to stand on its own, it's gonna be tougher to meet the standards.

I have to point out, though, that the LS460 is getting a lot better than 23mpg on the highway. Most owners are reporting anywhere from 25 to as much as 28 or more. Unfortunately, CAFE doesn't use just highway mileage.

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Well, I see in the April issue of Motor Trend that Lexus will get its own version of the Prius ... to be debuted at the 2009 Detroit Auto Show.

That should help them get to the CAFE standards!

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Old 03-16-08, 05:37 PM
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Yup....if you missed my post about my "first highway trip", I got 29.8 mpg from Charlotte to Charleston....much better than their 24 posted.
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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
Well, I see in the April issue of Motor Trend that Lexus will get its own version of the Prius ... to be debuted at the 2009 Detroit Auto Show.

That should help them get to the CAFE standards!

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Mike, my guess is that my next Lexus flagship car will be a new hybrid of some sort that gets terrific gas mileage. I expect this type of vehicle to be ready in about 3 years just in time for a trade-in. The only thing I am concerned about is that my present LS460L will have lost a great deal of its value by then if the next luxury flagship gets awesome gas mileage. Since I did not lease my LS, I could be in a world of hurt.
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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
Well, I see in the April issue of Motor Trend that Lexus will get its own version of the Prius ... to be debuted at the 2009 Detroit Auto Show.
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SUV's and medium duty trucks were exempt from the CAFE, but not under the new CAFE rule. Only work specific vehicles will now be kept out of the formula.
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Internal combustion engines are pre-historic technology that survives just because there's a lot of money being made in the oil industry. If someday electric energy is cheap enough to produce and to be used in cars all over the planet, I still would buy electric luxury barges. I don't like small cars.
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Originally Posted by rominl
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I just didn't expect it to be a Prius clone!

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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
I just didn't expect it to be a Prius clone!

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i am still a bit skeptical if it's going to be that close to the prius. it's going to be very hard for lexus to position that car imho, given the size and power

but we will see
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Originally Posted by rominl
i am still a bit skeptical if it's going to be that close to the prius. it's going to be very hard for lexus to position that car imho, given the size and power

but we will see
Yeah, here's the (admittedly sketchy) article in Motor Trend:
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