Good time to buy 07' LS460 or wait after 09'?
11-05-09, 12:23 PM
#16
Maybe a ES instead?
Something about the GS that does not do it for me. I actually like the looks of the new 2010 ES front end. And since the price of a 2007 LS460 is in the neighborhood of a 2010 ES, I'm thinking that may be a option. I need to go and actually see the ES and test drive before deciding. But, I sure love everything about the LS460............except the wind noise possibility.
11-05-09, 02:23 PM
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imho you can't even compare the es with the ls. one is entry level luxury, one is full luxury. size big difference. the ls is also far quieter than the es too, no match. the ls has more comfortable seats and better audio (considering ML), larger nav screen, etc... it's just much better imho
if you worry that much about wind noise, there is a fix in the thread already that most people are happy with, plus you can always test drive the car extensively between buying to make sure there is no noise. it's a used car already so imho it's unlikely there is no noise now and it come up after you buy it
if you worry that much about wind noise, there is a fix in the thread already that most people are happy with, plus you can always test drive the car extensively between buying to make sure there is no noise. it's a used car already so imho it's unlikely there is no noise now and it come up after you buy it
11-05-09, 06:02 PM
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I agree with rominl, you can't compare the es. I own the 600h and when it was in for service i had to drive an es. wow i can assure you that the noise level way exceeds the tiny wind noise in the LS. and if i was you LXTASY i'd not doubt go for the LS. just compare what kinda cars you can get for that price range brand new and you will see the kind of value you would get with the LS. the ES is a good car but i will not spend nearly 40 something thousand for it, in the long run the LS still looks and outperform ES any day
11-05-09, 10:40 PM
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I agree with rominl, you can't compare the es. I own the 600h and when it was in for service i had to drive an es. wow i can assure you that the noise level way exceeds the tiny wind noise in the LS. and if i was you LXTASY i'd not doubt go for the LS. just compare what kinda cars you can get for that price range brand new and you will see the kind of value you would get with the LS. the ES is a good car but i will not spend nearly 40 something thousand for it, in the long run the LS still looks and outperform ES any day
11-15-09, 09:52 AM
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For example, my lease is up in March. The residual is $42,225.
The car will have about 21,000 miles. 460 SL - SW - ML/Self Park - Comfort Plus (list was $72,802. And the well documented Wind Noise, still there after TSB fix.
I plan to return the car to Lexus. Based on what I see the car is not worth the residual value.
The car will have about 21,000 miles. 460 SL - SW - ML/Self Park - Comfort Plus (list was $72,802. And the well documented Wind Noise, still there after TSB fix.
I plan to return the car to Lexus. Based on what I see the car is not worth the residual value.
11-16-09, 07:33 AM
#22
LS460 vs ES350
Well, I came to my senses, I want to be back in a LS. However, the entire wind noise issue is just not something I wish to engage, meaning: I do not want to work at finding one that records indicate it never had it - but the current owner just doesnt realize it (thinks its normal) - or that it will develop the noise, or one that does have it and needs to be fixed by Lexus (yeah, right) or fixing by the jmcraney method (most probable). I loved my 2001 LS430 and regret selling it, so I am going to go back to the body style and car that I liked, but "upgrade" to a 2004-2006 and look for a Custom Luxury or Ultra Luxury. So let it be written, so let it be done........final decision.
11-22-09, 01:17 PM
#23
I spent a fair amount of time this weekend with my salesperson at Crown in Ontario, CA. I am looking at upgrading my GS300 to an 07 LS460.
He was telling me that right now LS sales, new or used are in the tank, they are just not moving in this economy and they have to move their inventory, he had an 07 460L in excellent shape with many options that they tried to sell for 54k for over a month go to auction, it didnt sell so its back on the lot for 47k... he said that almost any of the 2007 460s, loaded I could get for under 40k including CPO. This is a good price point for this vehicle, if its in excellent shape and has all its services up to date and no wind noise issues. I would consider it, as the LS is just a complete league ahead of the 06 GS300 I currently own.
He was telling me that right now LS sales, new or used are in the tank, they are just not moving in this economy and they have to move their inventory, he had an 07 460L in excellent shape with many options that they tried to sell for 54k for over a month go to auction, it didnt sell so its back on the lot for 47k... he said that almost any of the 2007 460s, loaded I could get for under 40k including CPO. This is a good price point for this vehicle, if its in excellent shape and has all its services up to date and no wind noise issues. I would consider it, as the LS is just a complete league ahead of the 06 GS300 I currently own.
11-22-09, 01:27 PM
#24
Well, I came to my senses, I want to be back in a LS. However, the entire wind noise issue is just not something I wish to engage, meaning: I do not want to work at finding one that records indicate it never had it - but the current owner just doesnt realize it (thinks its normal) - or that it will develop the noise, or one that does have it and needs to be fixed by Lexus (yeah, right) or fixing by the jmcraney method (most probable). I loved my 2001 LS430 and regret selling it, so I am going to go back to the body style and car that I liked, but "upgrade" to a 2004-2006 and look for a Custom Luxury or Ultra Luxury. So let it be written, so let it be done........final decision.
11-22-09, 03:47 PM
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So the LS 460 L is back on the lot at Crown Lexus in Ontario for $47K and we can get almost any 460s for under $47K? How about that 460 L, can we get it for under $40K? Did he says how much they are willing to let that 460 L go?
I spent a fair amount of time this weekend with my salesperson at Crown in Ontario, CA. I am looking at upgrading my GS300 to an 07 LS460.
He was telling me that right now LS sales, new or used are in the tank, they are just not moving in this economy and they have to move their inventory, he had an 07 460L in excellent shape with many options that they tried to sell for 54k for over a month go to auction, it didnt sell so its back on the lot for 47k... he said that almost any of the 2007 460s, loaded I could get for under 40k including CPO. This is a good price point for this vehicle, if its in excellent shape and has all its services up to date and no wind noise issues. I would consider it, as the LS is just a complete league ahead of the 06 GS300 I currently own.
He was telling me that right now LS sales, new or used are in the tank, they are just not moving in this economy and they have to move their inventory, he had an 07 460L in excellent shape with many options that they tried to sell for 54k for over a month go to auction, it didnt sell so its back on the lot for 47k... he said that almost any of the 2007 460s, loaded I could get for under 40k including CPO. This is a good price point for this vehicle, if its in excellent shape and has all its services up to date and no wind noise issues. I would consider it, as the LS is just a complete league ahead of the 06 GS300 I currently own.
11-22-09, 05:55 PM
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I dont remember everything the L had but as I recall it was everything minus the exec package in back. The NonL 460s had various packages, some more miles 40-60k miles with ML, some under 40k miles w/o ML.
11-22-09, 06:55 PM
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Thanks cmasten,
I may take a look at the L later this week when I drive to CA. Do you remember it has the window shade?
I may take a look at the L later this week when I drive to CA. Do you remember it has the window shade?
7k delta between the L and NonL. The L is 47k on the lot, and the NonL's from 2007 can be had for under 40k.
I dont remember everything the L had but as I recall it was everything minus the exec package in back. The NonL 460s had various packages, some more miles 40-60k miles with ML, some under 40k miles w/o ML.
I dont remember everything the L had but as I recall it was everything minus the exec package in back. The NonL 460s had various packages, some more miles 40-60k miles with ML, some under 40k miles w/o ML.
12-02-09, 03:05 PM
#28
Cars are a depreciating asset and the 07 LS460 will sell for less in January than it will today. It will sell for even less next June! No two pre-owned cars are alike. If you find one that has what you're looking for in terms of mileage, color and equipment go for it. If you're not paying cash, Lexus is currently offering reduced interest rates on CPO's.
12-10-09, 09:51 PM
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12-12-09, 08:31 PM
#30
LS430 vs LS460 decision
Everytime I go to look at a 2004-2006 LS430 I am drawn back to a LS460. The LS430 always looks so dated after I get into the LS460. I think I will have to eat my words and now get the LS460. I have kept a close eye on prices and have visited dealerships in Houston, San Antonio and Dallas area. I do not see any internet, specials or anything close to prices "in the low 40's" for a LS460. I'm sure there is for some car which has multiple owners, paint work, a disclosure, etc, that is priced like that, but I do not see any in Texas. Seems that a LS460 with Nav, Mark, Comfort Plus is asking around $47.4 to $49.9 . I do not see them knocking $5K off this pricing, or am I crazy, and they will? Yes, I know I can ask for anything, but what is realistic. Seems like most of the cars for sale in Texas are lease returns from California, so I suspect that they are being turned in at record rate and California dealers can't, or don't want them. I guess Texas dealers are getting them cheap and the market here is better than California. I know some of you are in the Dallas area, what do you think they will let these cars go for? I'm going to drive up to Dallas and check it out next week.