08 LS460 Shut Down and Won't Start Up
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More than likely, if you are successful, this will be a voluntary buy-back and not lemon. My car was purchased back by Lexus as a buy-back. This way it doesn't show up on the CARFAX.
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Do you have an extra car you can drive around for the time being? It would suck to rent and it came back as a non-lemon.
I would feel the same way as you. I wouldn't want to drive the car and have it crap out on me.
I would feel the same way as you. I wouldn't want to drive the car and have it crap out on me.
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I am looking at a 2007 LS460L with 20,000 miles, and I am getting worried. I wonder if I should wait before buying this car?
I will also say that I am not used to running 5W-20 oil. It seems a little thin to me, but that is just an opinion. My current GS400 has over 210,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever.
I wonder how many failures of this type have actually occured on these engines?
I started to pull the trigger today, but started reading this forum for any problems on the new LS. I LOVE the way the car runs, but I don't know now.
I will also say that I am not used to running 5W-20 oil. It seems a little thin to me, but that is just an opinion. My current GS400 has over 210,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever.
I wonder how many failures of this type have actually occured on these engines?
I started to pull the trigger today, but started reading this forum for any problems on the new LS. I LOVE the way the car runs, but I don't know now.
I've had mine over three years and just ordered a GX 460. I'm keeping my LS 460.
Craig
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I'm afraid you will most likely not be successful in your claim if the vehicle comes back with a new engine and problem-free. ![Frown](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I definitely understand your feelings on it being tainted. It would bother me too. Unfortunately, it happens.
I would, however, find out if you are getting a NEW engine or a reman'd motor.
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I definitely understand your feelings on it being tainted. It would bother me too. Unfortunately, it happens.
I would, however, find out if you are getting a NEW engine or a reman'd motor.
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I'm afraid you will most likely not be successful in your claim if the vehicle comes back with a new engine and problem-free. ![Frown](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I definitely understand your feelings on it being tainted. It would bother me too. Unfortunately, it happens.
I would, however, find out if you are getting a NEW engine or a reman'd motor.
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I definitely understand your feelings on it being tainted. It would bother me too. Unfortunately, it happens.
I would, however, find out if you are getting a NEW engine or a reman'd motor.
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The OP is not pursuing a legal lemon law claim - he is working with the manufacturer (which I consider appropriate given the circumstances.) The manufacturer will likely not replace the vehicle or refund the purchase price if they've successfully repaired the vehicle, but I'm willing to bet they will throw out an extended factory warranty or otherwise compensate the owner with a "good will" offer.
Further, an actual lemon law claim can take months and although a repurchase is possible, including reimbursement for sales tax, license fees, etc. - the manufacturer, even in California, is allowed to deduct a percentage for "reasonable use" / miles driven prior to the failure. This is a percentage of the original purchase price. If given a true lemon, this is a small price to pay to be rid of it, but it is a consideration nonetheless.
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(b) It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been made to conform a new motor vehicle to the applicable express warranties if, within 18 months from delivery to the buyer or 18,000 miles on the odometer of the vehicle, whichever occurs first, either
(1) the same nonconformity has been subject to repair four or more times by the manufacturer or its agents and the buyer has at least once directly notified the manufacturer of the need for the repair of the nonconformity OR
(2) the vehicle is out of service by reason of repair of nonconformities by the manufacturer or its agents for a cumulative total of more than 30 calendar days since delivery of the vehicle to the buyer. The 30-day limit shall be extended only if repairs cannot be performed due to conditions beyond the control of the manufacturer or its agents.
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Caifornia Lemon Law 1793.22.
(b) It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been made to conform a new motor vehicle to the applicable express warranties if, within 18 months from delivery to the buyer or 18,000 miles on the odometer of the vehicle, whichever occurs first, either
(1) the same nonconformity has been subject to repair four or more times by the manufacturer or its agents and the buyer has at least once directly notified the manufacturer of the need for the repair of the nonconformity OR
(2) the vehicle is out of service by reason of repair of nonconformities by the manufacturer or its agents for a cumulative total of more than 30 calendar days since delivery of the vehicle to the buyer. The 30-day limit shall be extended only if repairs cannot be performed due to conditions beyond the control of the manufacturer or its agents.
(b) It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been made to conform a new motor vehicle to the applicable express warranties if, within 18 months from delivery to the buyer or 18,000 miles on the odometer of the vehicle, whichever occurs first, either
(1) the same nonconformity has been subject to repair four or more times by the manufacturer or its agents and the buyer has at least once directly notified the manufacturer of the need for the repair of the nonconformity OR
(2) the vehicle is out of service by reason of repair of nonconformities by the manufacturer or its agents for a cumulative total of more than 30 calendar days since delivery of the vehicle to the buyer. The 30-day limit shall be extended only if repairs cannot be performed due to conditions beyond the control of the manufacturer or its agents.
Regardless, the point is moot: 1) The OP isn't pursuing Lexus via legal channels at this point. 2) If he does, he should seek proper legal advice.
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Who cares? A brand new motor top to bottom is great. Why would anyone complain about that? If it were an electrical gremlin I can understand because you'd never know if it was found.
Just make sure they reset the clock on the 'entire' warranty not just the drivetrain..
Just make sure they reset the clock on the 'entire' warranty not just the drivetrain..
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This is interesting. The way my valve spring broke, it left the two pieces in place and they "held" the valve to keep it from falling into the combustion chamber. Apparently yours fractured and the valve dropped in and fragged the chamber and/or piston crown.
If I were you, I'd lean more toward a buy-back than a lemon action. Lemon can take awhile and be expensive in some cases, whereas some friendly urging on your part might just get Lexus to quietly buy it from you.
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If I were you, I'd lean more toward a buy-back than a lemon action. Lemon can take awhile and be expensive in some cases, whereas some friendly urging on your part might just get Lexus to quietly buy it from you.
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