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02-26-10, 10:45 AM
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Or better yet shut the car off?? Yeah I agree the patrol mans accident does not make any sense at all? There was another incident where a woman said she called her husband while her car was out of control- excuse me but if you have time to call someone why cant you think of turning off the car or taking it out of gear? It is really sad to see that people are taking advantage of the situation and the media is eating it up..
but yeah, i think some people are really trying to take advantage of things but unfortunately their stories are so far stretched, in my eyes it really makes them look stupid. picking up the phone, call husband, cry, ask what to do, umm.....
not to forget the tundra girl who is still with "brand new" neck support after a yr
02-28-10, 03:51 AM
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Or better yet shut the car off?? Yeah I agree the patrol mans accident does not make any sense at all? There was another incident where a woman said she called her husband while her car was out of control- excuse me but if you have time to call someone why cant you think of turning off the car or taking it out of gear? It is really sad to see that people are taking advantage of the situation and the media is eating it up..
03-02-10, 10:55 PM
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The training program will help in this situation. However, have you seen the minimum qualification to be a cop? Do a quick search on web. No surprise many of those can't be trained.
03-08-10, 11:28 AM
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Not to claim that you guys are wrong about this runaway problem, but didn't the lady that testified in Congress claim that she tried everything including putting the car in neutral? And, hasn't her story been confirmed that there is some sort of electronic problem where the accelerator gets stuck in rare cases and there is virtually nothing that can be done to stop the car? If so, that would explain why the highway patrolman and his family got killed. If true, that is extremely scary.
I any case, Toyota was not very truthful about this acceleration problem from the start. If they had just told the truth and taken action immediately, (at least a year ago now?), they would be in much better shape at this time.
I any case, Toyota was not very truthful about this acceleration problem from the start. If they had just told the truth and taken action immediately, (at least a year ago now?), they would be in much better shape at this time.
03-09-10, 02:05 PM
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Not to claim that you guys are wrong about this runaway problem, but didn't the lady that testified in Congress claim that she tried everything including putting the car in neutral? And, hasn't her story been confirmed that there is some sort of electronic problem where the accelerator gets stuck in rare cases and there is virtually nothing that can be done to stop the car? If so, that would explain why the highway patrolman and his family got killed. If true, that is extremely scary.
I any case, Toyota was not very truthful about this acceleration problem from the start. If they had just told the truth and taken action immediately, (at least a year ago now?), they would be in much better shape at this time.
I any case, Toyota was not very truthful about this acceleration problem from the start. If they had just told the truth and taken action immediately, (at least a year ago now?), they would be in much better shape at this time.
the lady in congress, again, i don't think at this point they have discovered anything conclusive yet. and honestly i still question that the car was going that fast and she was able to do so much (including calling husband and cried) all within a few miles?
03-12-10, 02:05 PM
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to be honest i still can't seem to understand why people can't do this...
and at the same time we got that lady talking about her story, and how scared she was. BUT she still got the time to call her husband and said how scared she was. all these without the thought of putting the car in neutral?
i am not trying to get into too much bs, but come on...
trying very hard not to get into too much politics and conspiracy here
and at the same time we got that lady talking about her story, and how scared she was. BUT she still got the time to call her husband and said how scared she was. all these without the thought of putting the car in neutral?
i am not trying to get into too much bs, but come on...
trying very hard not to get into too much politics and conspiracy here
For example, my wife left the light on in our mini van so I had to get it out of the garage to get the battery for a jump. I had my lovely wife sit in the vehicle with the key turned enough to unlock the steering wheel. I told her to put it in neutral and I pushed it a little. Our drive way is down hill sloped so it started rolling down hill. She just sat there as it rolled into our cable junction enclosure with me trying to stop it from the rear
. I was asked why she didn't step on the brake (simple instinct move even if you have no idea about autos) and she replied she didn't know it would work. Duh! 
How about trying it! LOL, small scratch on the rear bumper but all is well......
03-12-10, 11:40 PM
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Not to claim that you guys are wrong about this runaway problem, but didn't the lady that testified in Congress claim that she tried everything including putting the car in neutral? And, hasn't her story been confirmed that there is some sort of electronic problem where the accelerator gets stuck in rare cases and there is virtually nothing that can be done to stop the car? If so, that would explain why the highway patrolman and his family got killed. If true, that is extremely scary.
I any case, Toyota was not very truthful about this acceleration problem from the start. If they had just told the truth and taken action immediately, (at least a year ago now?), they would be in much better shape at this time.
I any case, Toyota was not very truthful about this acceleration problem from the start. If they had just told the truth and taken action immediately, (at least a year ago now?), they would be in much better shape at this time.
. I'm sure she planned to make few quick bucks out of Toyota.
03-13-10, 02:08 PM
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no, the highway patrol, it's just the floormats. nothing to do with electronics as far as i know. it's the floormats clipping to gas pedal. and i don't think they have evidence saying that on the es350 the car continues to go if you throw it to neutral (at least last when i checked). i don't think they called anyone before they crashed and died
the lady in congress, again, i don't think at this point they have discovered anything conclusive yet. and honestly i still question that the car was going that fast and she was able to do so much (including calling husband and cried) all within a few miles?
the lady in congress, again, i don't think at this point they have discovered anything conclusive yet. and honestly i still question that the car was going that fast and she was able to do so much (including calling husband and cried) all within a few miles?
03-13-10, 02:31 PM
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Not to claim that you guys are wrong about this runaway problem, but didn't the lady that testified in Congress claim that she tried everything including putting the car in neutral? And, hasn't her story been confirmed that there is some sort of electronic problem where the accelerator gets stuck in rare cases and there is virtually nothing that can be done to stop the car? If so, that would explain why the highway patrolman and his family got killed. If true, that is extremely scary.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000...383717288.html
[NHTSA's] report listed the cause as the pedal sticking to an all-weather floor mat, which was stacked atop a carpeted floor mat.
"When I got that I was pretty furious," said Ms. Smith. "I called him and I said, 'Scott, it wasn't my floor mats,' and I said it was the electronics. He said there's an ongoing investigation on that."
NHTSA says it followed up with the current owners of Ms. Smith's Lexus and was told that they have had no problems since they bought it with less than 3,000 miles on the car. It now has about 30,000 miles on it.
[NHTSA's] report listed the cause as the pedal sticking to an all-weather floor mat, which was stacked atop a carpeted floor mat.
"When I got that I was pretty furious," said Ms. Smith. "I called him and I said, 'Scott, it wasn't my floor mats,' and I said it was the electronics. He said there's an ongoing investigation on that."
NHTSA says it followed up with the current owners of Ms. Smith's Lexus and was told that they have had no problems since they bought it with less than 3,000 miles on the car. It now has about 30,000 miles on it.
And the San Diego tragedy? Here it's a 100% positive that the accelerator was stuck by the floor mat. The RX 400h mat was found stuck to the crash car's pedal. Also, a previous driver of the same loaner car had the same stuck issue, pulled on the mat, and switched to neutral. He reported the problem to the dealer receptionist but nothing was done.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...h-had-earlier/
In the sheriff’s report, Bernard told investigators that he had the car, one in a fleet of loaners belonging to the Lexus dealership, on Aug. 24 and 25. He said that on the second day, while merging onto Interstate 15 from the Poway Road on-ramp, he took his foot off the gas and the car kept accelerating, to 85 mph.
Bernard pressed long and hard on the brakes and was able to pull over and slow down. He put the car into neutral, but the engine continued to race at full speed. After several failed attempts at turning off the engine, he realized the floor mat had jammed the gas pedal.
He slid his foot under the accelerator, dislodged it and had no further problems, the report says.
Bernard reported that the receptionist said he should tell the detail specialist on the lot when he picked up his car. Bernard did not say anything further and assumed the receptionist would tell the appropriate people.
In the sheriff’s report, Bernard told investigators that he had the car, one in a fleet of loaners belonging to the Lexus dealership, on Aug. 24 and 25. He said that on the second day, while merging onto Interstate 15 from the Poway Road on-ramp, he took his foot off the gas and the car kept accelerating, to 85 mph.
Bernard pressed long and hard on the brakes and was able to pull over and slow down. He put the car into neutral, but the engine continued to race at full speed. After several failed attempts at turning off the engine, he realized the floor mat had jammed the gas pedal.
He slid his foot under the accelerator, dislodged it and had no further problems, the report says.
Bernard reported that the receptionist said he should tell the detail specialist on the lot when he picked up his car. Bernard did not say anything further and assumed the receptionist would tell the appropriate people.
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03-13-10, 04:39 PM
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OK, but what about the "several failed attempts to turn off the engine" comment? If the vehicle is stopped a simple press of the engine button should shut it off.
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