08 LS 600HL Starting battery - to replace or not?
08-18-13, 10:43 PM
#16
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lxurious, could you please help the rest of us who want to follow your route? On the left side of your trunk, you can simply pull the cover out and you will see the battery. Could you check as to what they did with the 3rd wire? Because.. I asked my dealer to install a non lexus/panasonic battery. They said they typically use interstate batteries for Lexus and they installed an interstate battery.. but that caused a warning light in the dash (not sure which one) and they had to swapt it back to the old panasonic - they said that the panasonic tested out fine and that I didn't need a new battery.. I dislike having a 5 year old battery.. Can you please look at what they did with the 3rd wire? How come you don't have the warning lights?
update: I just disconnected the 3rd wire from the panasonic. Started the car and PCS warning light came up. "Check hybrid system" warning came up. I disconnected the batter and reconnected everything and the lights went away. I checked the resistance of the "third wire" harness. It showed 1.94 K ohms resistance. Did they close the circuit of the 3rd wire harness in your car - with a jumper wire, for example? Could you please check? Because if they left the 3rd wire harness circuit open, you would have gotten the warning lights. Thanks!
update: I just disconnected the 3rd wire from the panasonic. Started the car and PCS warning light came up. "Check hybrid system" warning came up. I disconnected the batter and reconnected everything and the lights went away. I checked the resistance of the "third wire" harness. It showed 1.94 K ohms resistance. Did they close the circuit of the 3rd wire harness in your car - with a jumper wire, for example? Could you please check? Because if they left the 3rd wire harness circuit open, you would have gotten the warning lights. Thanks!
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11-23-13, 07:07 PM
#17
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Finally happened to my LS600. My car was going haywire with messages like parking brake not available and check engine light on without car even being on at all!! I tested trunk battery and with neg cable off it read at 8 volts..then with neg cable connected it dropped to 5 volts and hybrid system would not do anything at all. I bought one of these power stations from walmart and charged it to 100% and connected it..it read 6..7..8..9..10..11..12..13v and I hit the Power button and it started my 600 right up!! But I think its time for a new starter battery.. $360 via tradmotion pembroke pines so not bad...thank goodness for power station since car was in garage unjumpable.
11-24-13, 05:59 AM
#19
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Well my friend, I guess $360 is not so bad.. You got it from your local dealer?
Anyway, its done..
Frankly, this makes me feel better that I also made the right decision, by preempting the annoyance of a dead battery. Now, I am absolutely sure that my theory about changing batteries every 4 years, is correct.. I waited for 5 years, only because its an expensive battery. Typically, if its a normal car, I would have the battery changed in 3 to 4 years.. I had been leasing all my cars and didn't have to change battery in 20 years.. this is the first car I kept for 5+ years (and going to keep longer)... lol..
The 600 is an amazing car.. My other car is a jaguar xjl... its even better looking but the 600 rides today, as if it just came out from the show room and has an amazing ride!
We are both all set for another 5 years.. after which, the car is not worth much anyway.. lol.
I still wish that lxurious would post an answer, to help others. I had even sent him pictures..
Who know, 5 years from now, we might both need a new battery again? lol..
Anyway, its done..
Frankly, this makes me feel better that I also made the right decision, by preempting the annoyance of a dead battery. Now, I am absolutely sure that my theory about changing batteries every 4 years, is correct.. I waited for 5 years, only because its an expensive battery. Typically, if its a normal car, I would have the battery changed in 3 to 4 years.. I had been leasing all my cars and didn't have to change battery in 20 years.. this is the first car I kept for 5+ years (and going to keep longer)... lol..
The 600 is an amazing car.. My other car is a jaguar xjl... its even better looking but the 600 rides today, as if it just came out from the show room and has an amazing ride!
We are both all set for another 5 years.. after which, the car is not worth much anyway.. lol.
I still wish that lxurious would post an answer, to help others. I had even sent him pictures..
Who know, 5 years from now, we might both need a new battery again? lol..
11-24-13, 09:00 AM
#20
Lead Lap
Well my friend, I guess $360 is not so bad.. You got it from your local dealer?
Anyway, its done..
Frankly, this makes me feel better that I also made the right decision, by preempting the annoyance of a dead battery. Now, I am absolutely sure that my theory about changing batteries every 4 years, is correct.. I waited for 5 years, only because its an expensive battery. Typically, if its a normal car, I would have the battery changed in 3 to 4 years.. I had been leasing all my cars and didn't have to change battery in 20 years.. this is the first car I kept for 5+ years (and going to keep longer)... lol..
The 600 is an amazing car.. My other car is a jaguar xjl... its even better looking but the 600 rides today, as if it just came out from the show room and has an amazing ride!
We are both all set for another 5 years.. after which, the car is not worth much anyway.. lol.
I still wish that lxurious would post an answer, to help others. I had even sent him pictures..
Who know, 5 years from now, we might both need a new battery again? lol..
Anyway, its done..
Frankly, this makes me feel better that I also made the right decision, by preempting the annoyance of a dead battery. Now, I am absolutely sure that my theory about changing batteries every 4 years, is correct.. I waited for 5 years, only because its an expensive battery. Typically, if its a normal car, I would have the battery changed in 3 to 4 years.. I had been leasing all my cars and didn't have to change battery in 20 years.. this is the first car I kept for 5+ years (and going to keep longer)... lol..
The 600 is an amazing car.. My other car is a jaguar xjl... its even better looking but the 600 rides today, as if it just came out from the show room and has an amazing ride!
We are both all set for another 5 years.. after which, the car is not worth much anyway.. lol.
I still wish that lxurious would post an answer, to help others. I had even sent him pictures..
Who know, 5 years from now, we might both need a new battery again? lol..
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11-25-13, 10:39 AM
#21
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Just got three quotes ranging from $450 to to $590 installed with 5 year warranty. Full replacement within 2 years and the remaining 3 years are prorated. BUT, I am not convinced my battery needs replacing. I will check at dealer since they will test for free. If it tests good, I'm going to leave it. I know that when I was running accessories for that long without starting the car, it just killed it...but then again, perhaps it should of held a longer charge. The test is what I need for now and I'll buy one if need be...too bad its not covered via CPO
11-25-13, 06:38 PM
#22
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Lexus just load tested my battery and it came back in near perfect condition and they recommend not replacing. I believe them because it is not covered under warranty and the readout confirmed it. So, I will be sure to start the car if I am doing anything with radio or navi next time
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11-26-13, 05:21 AM
#23
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Lexus just load tested my battery and it came back in near perfect condition and they recommend not replacing. I believe them because it is not covered under warranty and the readout confirmed it. So, I will be sure to start the car if I am doing anything with radio or navi next time
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11-26-13, 06:19 AM
#24
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The fact that it isn't covered under warranty and they still told me not to buy one as greedy as dealerships are, tells me right there I'm good. I hear what you are saying, but if the battery just failed for no reason..that's one thing, but I ran it down with the car off. I'll keep an eye on it with my tester at home too
11-26-13, 08:56 AM
#25
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cjcity, which state do you live in? If you don't have severe winters you are fine.. but if you do... its absolutely not worth the risk. You should send an email to lxurious with detailed pictures of the 3rd wire - where it goes into the car's electrical system - to help him identify it.
LXurious, you are the only person who has successfully used a die hard.. It would be nice, if you would help others out. I realize you could not find the tech who installed the battery but you could ask the dealer to look at the 3rd wire - or look it up yourself. I have sent you pictures.. I realize you have other wires but it would not be too difficult to find the 3rd wire - it is the wire with some kind of "stub" on it.. This forum relies on people helping others.. I know CJCITY and many others would appreciate your help..
LXurious, you are the only person who has successfully used a die hard.. It would be nice, if you would help others out. I realize you could not find the tech who installed the battery but you could ask the dealer to look at the 3rd wire - or look it up yourself. I have sent you pictures.. I realize you have other wires but it would not be too difficult to find the 3rd wire - it is the wire with some kind of "stub" on it.. This forum relies on people helping others.. I know CJCITY and many others would appreciate your help..
11-26-13, 09:28 AM
#26
Lead Lap
cjcity, which state do you live in? If you don't have severe winters you are fine.. but if you do... its absolutely not worth the risk. You should send an email to lxurious with detailed pictures of the 3rd wire - where it goes into the car's electrical system - to help him identify it.
LXurious, you are the only person who has successfully used a die hard.. It would be nice, if you would help others out. I realize you could not find the tech who installed the battery but you could ask the dealer to look at the 3rd wire - or look it up yourself. I have sent you pictures.. I realize you have other wires but it would not be too difficult to find the 3rd wire - it is the wire with some kind of "stub" on it.. This forum relies on people helping others.. I know CJCITY and many others would appreciate your help..
LXurious, you are the only person who has successfully used a die hard.. It would be nice, if you would help others out. I realize you could not find the tech who installed the battery but you could ask the dealer to look at the 3rd wire - or look it up yourself. I have sent you pictures.. I realize you have other wires but it would not be too difficult to find the 3rd wire - it is the wire with some kind of "stub" on it.. This forum relies on people helping others.. I know CJCITY and many others would appreciate your help..
I'm in the south and the car is always garaged. I keep my jump station with me anyway, but I can easily check the voltage whenever to see if its getting weaker but no sign that it has failed other than me running it down.I'm curious as to know how LXurious did that die hard...they had to of jumped that 3rd temperature sensor wire. Someone else mentioned they got the alert on the dash to check PCS system and then reattached it and it was fine, so that third wire does something for sure
11-26-13, 10:00 AM
#27
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CJ City? Haha..I like that version I'm in the south and the car is always garaged. I keep my jump station with me anyway, but I can easily check the voltage whenever to see if its getting weaker but no sign that it has failed other than me running it down.
I'm curious as to know how LXurious did that die hard...they had to of jumped that 3rd temperature sensor wire. Someone else mentioned they got the alert on the dash to check PCS system and then reattached it and it was fine, so that third wire does something for sure
I'm in the south and the car is always garaged. I keep my jump station with me anyway, but I can easily check the voltage whenever to see if its getting weaker but no sign that it has failed other than me running it down.I'm curious as to know how LXurious did that die hard...they had to of jumped that 3rd temperature sensor wire. Someone else mentioned they got the alert on the dash to check PCS system and then reattached it and it was fine, so that third wire does something for sure
11-26-13, 12:55 PM
#28
Lead Lap
lxurios seems to be the only one who seems to have used after market. My dealer tried an interstate battery and he could not get it to work. He had to reinstall the original battery. I disconnected the 3rd wire and warning lights came on. I had to reconnect it. There has got to be a stub/shunt of some kind. Unless you can cut the temperature sensor away - in case the temperature sensor is "wrapped around the battery"? Can you examine the battery closely to see if the temp sensor may be wrapped and can be removed ? it is too cold here in wisconsin for me to look at the battery! lol
11-27-13, 02:29 PM
#29
Lead Lap
Just called a few dealers in my area and got quotes from $580-$650 for the battery. I would love to pay what you guys are paying. I don't need it yet but I was just checking.
11-27-13, 03:03 PM
#30
Lead Lap
Just called another dealer and was quoted $225 for a new battery. I didn't believe them so I confirmed this was for the 600hL. I don't get it, maybe this dealer doesn't know the 600 battery is different and has the extra wire?