Super Luxury Car Rankings by USNews
10-09-14, 05:01 PM
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Well the Fiat 500 you can purchase a LIFETIME warranty for, so the entire time you own the car, BTB its covered. Some old guy at the carshow bought his Abarth with it. I actually quite love those things. I drove them before they were EPA certified and legally allowed to be driven in the US (my uncle works at the Chrysler plant) and those things are TRULY go-karts. especially the Abarth or the Abarth Essesse.
but yeah. They are all about SLS65 BLACK power and screw cost of ownership. If they factored the reliability, overengineering of the LS, and the MPG, LS would be #1.
but yeah. They are all about SLS65 BLACK power and screw cost of ownership. If they factored the reliability, overengineering of the LS, and the MPG, LS would be #1.
10-09-14, 09:28 PM
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but yeah. They are all about SLS65 BLACK power and screw cost of ownership. If they factored the reliability, overengineering of the LS, and the MPG, LS would be #1.
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10-09-14, 09:44 PM
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The 460 is a lemon that doesn't make lemonade. That's what me friends sister's boy friends nanny's uncle who works at a BMW dealership that's good friends with a Lexus mechanic online told me so it must be true.
10-10-14, 06:02 AM
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10-10-14, 08:50 AM
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This is a good thing because it's easier to diagnose, fix and least likely to have any electronic quirks.
The LS is essentially a big Toyota and in many respects drives like one too.
10-10-14, 09:45 AM
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I meant overengineered as in how it was built, not the technology in it. The engines are far beyond the rest. Take the 1UZFE for example. 2 distributor caps, 2 ignitors, 2 coils, 4 coolant temp sensors each with a different job, its almost impossible to kill a Lexus engine. I drove a BMW for a few years, even raced circuit with one, and I had one blow up at 160k, then I had my track rat, at 203,000 miles the water pump went out, the irregularity in the bearings, made the radiator fan wobble, and it ripped out the coolant overflow line, tore up the shroud, and the fan shattered. Car overheated and blew the headgasket. No fan, no air and it had no electric fans.
10-10-14, 10:01 AM
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. I drove a BMW for a few years, even raced circuit with one, and I had one blow up at 160k
Yeah.... I love my LS.
10-10-14, 10:22 AM
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My 7 series (4.4 liter), was blowing blue smoke and burning oil at 55k miles. POS. Also blew the coolant pipe (buried inside the engine) at 65k miles, which resulted in a 5k dollar repair...4950 dollars of that was labor for a 50 dollar part. THEN the carbon blockages in the engine passes which prevented passing emissions tests which required almost 8k dollars in repairs at 70k miles. "Flagship", my ****
Yeah.... I love my LS.
Yeah.... I love my LS.
It's fine if they got it wrong initially but each subsequent V8 they made afterwards never addressed the issue. This speaks volumes towards their arrogance when they are only interested in improving the horsepower or other goodies rather then a redesign of the coolant tube.
10-10-14, 10:28 AM
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BMW cant make a reliable V8. As you mentioned one of their biggest problems is the coolant line that runs symmetrical to the engine that leaks and ends up costing a fortune to repair because you need to remove the heads.
It's fine if they got it wrong initially but each subsequent V8 they made afterwards never addressed the issue. This speaks volumes towards their arrogance when they are only interested in improving the horsepower or other goodies rather then a redesign of the coolant tube.
It's fine if they got it wrong initially but each subsequent V8 they made afterwards never addressed the issue. This speaks volumes towards their arrogance when they are only interested in improving the horsepower or other goodies rather then a redesign of the coolant tube.
10-10-14, 11:04 AM
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Arrogance is right. NOT ONE recall for ANY of the common issues they designed. The ones I mentioned above were so common that the BImmer forums were rife with these issues. There were other problems as well, but those ones above were effecting 90% of the E65's of the members on the forum. Blown amps, transmissions seals, eengine oil leaks even after repairing/replacing gaskets, etc.
I know GM gets a bad rap for their interiors or ignition recalls but they make a great small block V8 because they stick to simplicity. Those engine dimensions are also smaller and lighter then BMWs.
10-10-14, 11:50 AM
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I heard it has taken the aftermarket to develop improved parts that BMW refuses to address.
I know GM gets a bad rap for their interiors or ignition recalls but they make a great small block V8 because they stick to simplicity. Those engine dimensions are also smaller and lighter then BMWs.
I know GM gets a bad rap for their interiors or ignition recalls but they make a great small block V8 because they stick to simplicity. Those engine dimensions are also smaller and lighter then BMWs.
10-11-14, 09:10 AM
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My 7 series (4.4 liter), was blowing blue smoke and burning oil at 55k miles. POS. Also blew the coolant pipe (buried inside the engine) at 65k miles, which resulted in a 5k dollar repair...4950 dollars of that was labor for a 50 dollar part. THEN the carbon blockages in the engine passes which prevented passing emissions tests which required almost 8k dollars in repairs at 70k miles. "Flagship", my ****
Yeah.... I love my LS.
Yeah.... I love my LS.
10-11-14, 05:15 PM
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What year was it? The 7 series - the ones built over the last ten years - are considered to be one of the worst built cars in history...with the 535 not far behind. I've talked to a factory rep - because I was going to buy either one - and he said that even he can't fix the 7 series...they don't know how to fix its electrical problems...and he said the 535 will be in the shop for a major repair every other month. I also talked to a shop foreman and he agreed that both are some of the worst cars ever built, he said, "not just BMW, but ever built". You can pick up a 535 that cost 50k new, for 16 grand now...and a 750 for 7-10k.
Yes, Time Magazine did up a list of the 50 worst cars in history...the 7 series E65 BMW was on that list alongside, Edsel, AMC Pacer and Ford Pinto. Great company for a "Flagship".
At the 2014 Vancouver International Auto Show, I was looking over the 7 series, when a pretty lady approached me in an expensive business suit. She turned out to be the West Coast Rep for BMW of some kind. Anyway, as I was looking over this 7 series, she says, "nice car huh"? I replied, "yes it LOOKS very nice". She kinda looked at me with that "but?" look and went on to told her about my previous ownership experience of said 7 series. She kinda nodded and acknowledged the issues experienced by 7 series owners, but that "BMW has addresses them". I went on to tell her that this was simply not true and that the same issues have been going on right up to the current year. She finally ceded and said, most people simply lease these cars and unload them after two or three years for another lease and these lease were returns were sold as CPO'd cars for a couple more years. She the says, if you want reliability in a luxury car, you;re going to have to go Japanese. LOL. I laughed and said, "funny you should say that"....I traded in my 7 for a Lexus LS460, three months ago." She smiled and said, "well it sounds like you're happy. Good luck." My point is, I think she was completely cognizant of the reputation BMW is getting and that she had basically drank the Kool-Aid and hoped others would too.
10-11-14, 08:08 PM
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Mine was an 03, but all the forum members had varying year from 02-14 and ALL of them had issues.
Yes, Time Magazine did up a list of the 50 worst cars in history...the 7 series E65 BMW was on that list alongside, Edsel, AMC Pacer and Ford Pinto. Great company for a "Flagship".
At the 2014 Vancouver International Auto Show, I was looking over the 7 series, when a pretty lady approached me in an expensive business suit. She turned out to be the West Coast Rep for BMW of some kind. Anyway, as I was looking over this 7 series, she says, "nice car huh"? I replied, "yes it LOOKS very nice". She kinda looked at me with that "but?" look and went on to told her about my previous ownership experience of said 7 series. She kinda nodded and acknowledged the issues experienced by 7 series owners, but that "BMW has addresses them". I went on to tell her that this was simply not true and that the same issues have been going on right up to the current year. She finally ceded and said, most people simply lease these cars and unload them after two or three years for another lease and these lease were returns were sold as CPO'd cars for a couple more years. She the says, if you want reliability in a luxury car, you;re going to have to go Japanese. LOL. I laughed and said, "funny you should say that"....I traded in my 7 for a Lexus LS460, three months ago." She smiled and said, "well it sounds like you're happy. Good luck." My point is, I think she was completely cognizant of the reputation BMW is getting and that she had basically drank the Kool-Aid and hoped others would too.
Yes, Time Magazine did up a list of the 50 worst cars in history...the 7 series E65 BMW was on that list alongside, Edsel, AMC Pacer and Ford Pinto. Great company for a "Flagship".
At the 2014 Vancouver International Auto Show, I was looking over the 7 series, when a pretty lady approached me in an expensive business suit. She turned out to be the West Coast Rep for BMW of some kind. Anyway, as I was looking over this 7 series, she says, "nice car huh"? I replied, "yes it LOOKS very nice". She kinda looked at me with that "but?" look and went on to told her about my previous ownership experience of said 7 series. She kinda nodded and acknowledged the issues experienced by 7 series owners, but that "BMW has addresses them". I went on to tell her that this was simply not true and that the same issues have been going on right up to the current year. She finally ceded and said, most people simply lease these cars and unload them after two or three years for another lease and these lease were returns were sold as CPO'd cars for a couple more years. She the says, if you want reliability in a luxury car, you;re going to have to go Japanese. LOL. I laughed and said, "funny you should say that"....I traded in my 7 for a Lexus LS460, three months ago." She smiled and said, "well it sounds like you're happy. Good luck." My point is, I think she was completely cognizant of the reputation BMW is getting and that she had basically drank the Kool-Aid and hoped others would too.
want a BMW? lease it and let us make more money off of you (as opposed to buying it) + we'll sell the piece of crap after you turn it in, to some fan boy that really wants a BMW but cannot afford leasing .
and after the sale, who cares...screw the fan boy.