CJITTY

They have to tell you that disclaimer.. Wheels with non OEM specs will not be OEM...if the wheel and tire thread isn't enough proof that this car can handle many different fitments, then I'm not sure what else to say. Its been proven for over 7 years that aftermarket wheels with far more aggressive specs work. If you want OEM comfort..stick to 18s or 19s. Or be like many of us who ventured beyond OEM to make the car OURS and more unique. I'm driving a hybrid with awd and CVT transmission on staggered 22s for over 2 years.. My Lexus tech sees no issues as a result when he checks out my car. And i drive about 12k miles a year lowered..my tires show no obvious signs of wear and i have 255 wide fronts and 305 rears. The oem 19s are 19x8..an inch taller and 1/2inch wider than OEM 18s..those specs you posted are essentially OEM spec. Like I said before..post #42 of the wheel and tire thread shows my 19x8 setup with 17 and 12mm offsets ( with spacers)...not a single issue and looked 100x better imo

wayman28

Thanks CJITTY. I'm totally new to wheel sizing so I'm processing all of the information. I went through the entire wheel thread and I agree there's no question our cars can handle a variety of fitments. I'm just wondering how much "ride comfort" was traded off in exchange for the nicer wheel setups. What was your experience with ride comfort when jumping away from OEM?

CJITTY

I'm so used to my 22s that I don't even think about it really. But when I had my OEM 19s with thicker tires..it does ride more "luxurious"..but others who have been in my car always comment how quiet and smooth my car is with my 22s lol..I say you lose about 10% ride quality per each inch of wheel diameter increase from OEM. For me, I would say I lost about 30 to 35% from 19 to 22. I think 20s is a good compromise..I had those too. But you have to get the right wheel design because some 20s look smaller if they have an outer lip

wayman28

Thanks. I have a newb question on spacers. I found some wheels I like that have OEM specs except the offset is 40mm. I'd like to get them to 32mm. If I understand spacers correctly I would need 8mm spacers with a 5x120 bolt pattern and I'm good to go right? Do I need to get anything else to make it all work or do I need to consider any other spec for things to fit properly?

Thanks.

wayman28

Another question, how important is the hub bore on new wheels? The hub bore on the wheels I'm considering is 73.1. I don't know what to do with this number. I'm reading stuff online that says it's critically important and others that say it isn't that important.

I'm very paranoid of dropping a lot of money on new wheels that end up causing vibration or don't fit right because I missed an important spec.

CJITTY

If the wheel isn't available with less than 40mm offset and you absolutely want those, I would get two sets of 20mm hubcentric bolt on spacers which will put you at 20mm all around. I personally like my spacers which are Akata 60.1mm hubcentric, 5x120 bolt pattern (15mm and 20mm sizes. Ebay has them for about $69 a pair.

You will need hubcentric rings that the wheel company will provide you. If the wheels are already hubcentric designed for the Lexus LS460, then they will be 60.1mm hub bore. The rings will fill the gap if they are not already 60.1mm. The only wheel company that I know of that mass produces 60.1mm hub bore made for our cars is Lumarai, which is a TSW brand. If you search on my user name and Lumarai, I have tons of real world experience with that wheel. They bolt right up, have factory offsets, use stock lug nuts, stock center cap fits right on, no hubcentric rings required. Here is their page for their wheels. I had the 20x8.5 and 20x10 Morro on my previous 460. Smooth ride
http://lumaraiwheels.com/18_inch_lexus_wheels.php
and their FAQ page here http://lumaraiwheels.com/lumarai_lexus_wheels_faq.php

I have 22s on my car with hub centric rings. I have Delinte tires (not high end tires by any means) but they are cheap and perform good enough as my Continentals did. Had them road forced balanced and I have no vibration on an AWD car with staggered fitment. I know you are being cautious and that's great, but you may be worrying a little too much if guys like me have no issues since you are going super conservative in your setup. Do your homework, read up..you are doing it the right way vs going to some bootleg shop and be frustrated. Folks like me put in a lot of time to provide folks with real information...but I just respectfully ask that you look at what has been posted thoroughly to give you the info you desire.. Good Luck!

I recommend you use the search feature because your questions have been answered many times. Just need to take time and review these posts in their entirety

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/the...us-wheels.html

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/bui...ld-thread.html and also https://www.clublexus.com/forums/bui...thread-ii.html which has tons of info on spacers that I used

Devh

Just because a wheel fits doesn't mean it's right for your car. Anecdotal feelings are very different then the actual engineering and science. If you change the scrub radius you will also change the ride quality because as little as 5mm has a big influence on the entire suspension system as a whole. The handling will be off because it will change your spring rates, your alignment and the way the car pivots on it's axis. It will also change the way the car brakes and accident maneuverability.
All of the pivot arms, ball joints, wheel bearings, bushings, steering components will be under stress and are subject to premature component failure in time. There are off roaders and weekend racers that do change the offset for the better but they also do it right by changing the suspension components radically to accept the changes as a system.

Toyota engineers have gone though great lengths to get the scrub radius correct for this car and it wasn't just for the ride quality.
Don't take my word for it, get a second or third opinion from an experienced alignment specialist.

CJITTY

nobody is disagreeing with the "engineering" of the car and why Lexus is as conservative with their wheel designs as they are. I know people on stock wheels who never modded their cars who needed to get bearings, suspension components, control arms, etc replaced. Stuff happens, often out of nowhere. Modding a car does pose some potential risks or potential aggravation, but those of us who mod our vehicles already know those potential risks (those who have researched that is). If the OP is that concerned about making a change, he needs to stay with the OEM wheels..simple and plain. My comments are offering an alternative with real world experiences. It may not be your style and that's fine..the OP can decide what's best for him based on feedback he receives from this open forum.

Devh

Well of course he can however he asked a specific question that was relevant to my answers. If he was asking for fitment and looks then that is a different question entirely which I would have stayed out of. Regarding offsets this is not one of conservative approach by the manufacture or disclaimer. If we were arguing over of the merits of ride height then that would be different but there is no room for error regarding the offsets as it has a profound negative effect on the car as a whole. Most people who do this will never understand the long term disadvantages because they blinded by looks and by encouragement from others that it's ok when it's not. The fact remains that it will place undo stress on the suspension system and it will wear out parts sooner. In some extreme cases it can even break suspension arms.

I have modified my other car way beyond factory specifications and I understand the benefits and the tradeoffs, this is not the same thing. Maybe if a person had a garage queen that they take to car shows that is one matter but for a car this is used for transportation it is another. This is not a manufacture disclaimer, this is well known fact in car enthusiast circles. I can certainly see Toyota or any other manufacture winning a warranty case showing direct causality with the wheel offset and suspension wear.

Having said that im helping a friend build a Factory Five Cobra where you have to source many parts from other donor cars. The suspension was planed out based on what my friend wanted but when it came to the wheels we had to choose the correct offset based on the core of the cars engineering in regard to the design of the suspension arms. There is not room for error in this regard.

wayman28

Thank you both for all of your advice and guidance. I really appreciate it and it has been extremely helpful. I personally would not want to take on the additional risks that both of you have pointed out by going with a significantly different after-market wheel/tire setup. That said, I completely understand why others have decided to customize their cars to make them "their own". When I look through the tire/wheel sticky thread there are many setups that look amazing to me. Those are calculated risks that seem to pay off for those folks. That tradeoff is something I'll need to think more about, but right now I'm mostly concerned with maintaining the OEM ride. I may change my mind in the future.

I've been trying to get the best of both worlds by getting new wheels in a style that I like that are to OEM spec. This has been proving problematic. The lesson learned for me is that when I was buying new tires last month I should have gone through this process of assessing wheels at the same time. I didn't do that so now I'm constrained by my new OEM tire size. As a result I feel like I'm forced to compromise on the wheel styles that appeal to me. That's a clear signal I'm heading down the wrong path because I should only buy what I really love (NOT just what fits as OEM and looks "good enough"), especially when it's a cosmetic-driven decision.

After a blitz of research and the thoughtful help from you guys, I've decided to have my current OEM rims repaired (i.e., straighten the wheels and refinish the surfaces). It's cheaper than buying new wheels (they're charging $125 per wheel) and I'm guaranteed OEM fitment. I think that as soon as my new tires run their course I may look for nicer wheel and tire packages (I really love the Vossen CV1 wheels). Like I said, I'm trying to balance the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for all of your help. I've learned a great deal in the last 36 hours about wheels from you guys. The greater issue I'm trying to solve is a vibration and noise at highway speeds which the dealer is attributing, in part, to my bent wheels. Hope this fixes it.

Devh

I completely understand your predicament. I went through the same thing when I was choosing wheels for my other car. Buying wheels is personal decision and there is no room for compromise. It had taken me over five years before I found the right ones, let alone having to save up for them. You have to absolutely love them otherwise you will be wasting your money.
You may even find a wheel that looks great but once on your car it may not even complement it.
Good luck with whatever direction you go it's not an easy decision.

CJITTY

It's clear you are concerned about new aftermarket wheels, so you may want to stay out of that game quite honestly. And that's perfectly ok.

The oem vs aftermarket debate is something that will never die. I did my research and felt comfortable enough to step out of the oem zone and with about 5 years of experience and at least 75K miles between my 460 and 600 and wheels of sizes ranging from 20 to 22, I have yet to encounter a mechanical issue, so those are the thoughts I'm sharing. I know my oem 19s ride better than my 22s..no comparison. I have the option to go back to oem and I do for road trips. Mainly due to comfort and it's easier to get 19" oem type tires if I have an issue while out on the interstate system.

Essentially it comes down to what your comfort level and what your needs are. My original goal was to keep my 460 and my 600 stock...that lasted less than a few days because I have always liked making the car my own and doing something different.

So I'll leave this thread with this....If you are looking for a good alternative to the factory silver 18" wheels, then go with the 18" Telios LS460 wheels, 19x8 Touring 5 spoke wheels or 19x8 7 spoke hybrid wheels. Telios wheels look very nice, check out Tee's build thread when he first bought his 460. These are OEM fitment that comes on 460s...and the hybrid 7 spoke wheels have the same offset and dimensions as the 19" 5 spoke touring...you can't go wrong with any of these options....other than the cost of new wheels and tires (if going 19 route). The 2013+ model wheels will work also.


Telios Black Chrome 18x7.5


Touring 19x8 Silver


Touring 19x8 Chrome


Hybrid 19x8 Silver


Hybrid 19x8 Chrome

wayman28

Thanks a ton CJITTY. I hear you. I think yours and many others' cars look great. There's not question in my mind that up-sizing my wheels would make my car look better.

Thanks for the advice and the pics. I like the hybrid 19x8's. You're right though, I'm not ready for after market wheels. My plan is to ride out my current tires and when they're ready for replacement then I will have the opportunity to update my tires and wheels together, which will give me many more options. Between now and then I will continue researching the pros and cons of up-sizing my wheels until I get a better comfort level. As I mentioned before I really like the Vossen CV1's.

Thanks again.

CJITTY

Good deal.. I had the CV1s as my first set of 22s..absolutely loved them. They gave me no issues at all. Glad to help..keep us posted.