2010 ls vs 2012 ls
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2010 ls vs 2012 ls
Does anyone know if any of the late in the model year have updated control arms? Would I be better with a 2010 with 20k miles vs a 2012 with 45k miles. Identical cars other then year. Difference in price difference is roughly 5k more for the 2012.
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The control arms were supposedly redone in 2011. I would make sure to budget for replacement on a 2010 compared to a 2011 or 2012.
I'd buy the 2012 for sure.
I'd buy the 2012 for sure.
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All else equal, I would also lean towards the '12, but just in case...
The TSIB for control arms (L-SB-0021-12) was not issued by Lexus until early 2012. The redesigned components had, however, been around for some time. Repairs on my '08 were done with updated parts way before the bulletin.
The last model year affected (included in TSIB) is indeed 2010, though not all 2010s are impacted (e.g., my 600 is off the list... I checked before purchasing.). In the event you're seriously interested in the 2010 car, here is the VIN cutoff for the production change. If VIN is higher than the corresponding cutoff, the vehicle should already have updated parts from the factory.
2WD
LS 460 JTHBL5EF#A#098437
LS 460L JTHGL5EF#A#040325
AWD
LS 460 JTHCL5EF#A#007434
LS 460L JTHDL5EF#A#002131
LS 600hL JTHDU1EF#A#012577
The TSIB for control arms (L-SB-0021-12) was not issued by Lexus until early 2012. The redesigned components had, however, been around for some time. Repairs on my '08 were done with updated parts way before the bulletin.
The last model year affected (included in TSIB) is indeed 2010, though not all 2010s are impacted (e.g., my 600 is off the list... I checked before purchasing.). In the event you're seriously interested in the 2010 car, here is the VIN cutoff for the production change. If VIN is higher than the corresponding cutoff, the vehicle should already have updated parts from the factory.
2WD
LS 460 JTHBL5EF#A#098437
LS 460L JTHGL5EF#A#040325
AWD
LS 460 JTHCL5EF#A#007434
LS 460L JTHDL5EF#A#002131
LS 600hL JTHDU1EF#A#012577
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Thanks this is super helpful. I appreciate probably going to pull the trigger today on the 2012. Although I may wait for the spread between the 2012s and 2013s to narrow. Seems like the residuals were .55 back in 2013 which means off lease cars should be selling in the mid 40s but all the certified cars are still in the mid 50s.
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The residuals have nothing to do with the CPO values, so I wouldn't put any stock in that. The LS is conservatively residualed, which means often at lease end they are worth more than the residual. The GS for instance is aggressively residualed so they are commonly worth less. That doesn't effect their CPO price either.
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Thanks for the information. This is very helpful and will help narrow my decision. Do you think a certified 2013 with 40k will be in the mid 40s anytime soon. As right now 2012 certified with similar miles are in 38-42. For the extra money I would probably step up.
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Its going to be a while probably...
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I would buy the 2010 for the low miles and stay away from the 2013+ due to the controversial fascia embellishments. Control arms can be changed, but front end design or higher miles may be a bit more complex
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Originally Posted by superdenso
I would buy the 2010 for the low miles and stay away from the 2013+ due to the controversial fascia embellishments. Control arms can be changed, but front end design or higher miles may be a bit more complex
Taking out the front end controversy, the 2013+ is a big upgrade in the interior alone.
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My opinion of the fascia embellishments of the 2013 is they are a bit "controversial" and could be tougher to unload at sale date. The interior accoutrements are satisfactory in all years but they have strong (i.e. wood trim) and weak points(i.e. b-pillar).
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We already have plenty of used car sales data for the 2013+ though and it's done just fine. Lexus new car sales with the spindle are up, not down, so I don't think it's an issue.
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year - units
2012 - 8,400
2013 - 10,700
2014 - 8,600
2015 - 7,200 (estimated)
http://left-lane.com/us-car-sales-data/lexus/lexus-ls/
Last edited by superdenso; 12-28-15 at 02:33 PM.
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The issue is that the car is really old, and there are much newer cars out there competing, and that's why those cars are getting bought over the LS.
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