SW17LS

The 2013 refresh was less than "just the engine" overall the car is pretty much the same. Roof and door sheet metal are the same, suspension, powertrain, etc all the same.

islandbeef

2017 LS Spy Shot folks are slippin'!

jainla

I'm guessing a January reveal in Detroit for a 2018 LS. With possibly an early start to that model year; maybe late spring deliveries? All depends on what else is coming.

Hydrogen won't come until 2020 (Akio Toyoda has already said this) but the 600h was more than a year behind the LS 460; so that's understandable.

Most rumors I have read state the 5LS will be similar in size to the current car; the LF-FC is actually larger in most dimensions. I don't think it will be much smaller.

Don't forget that TNGA cars only share the distance between the front axle and firewall with their platform mates; so the LC and LS could share the same platform but be substantially different in size. Even the Avalon and Camry stem from the same platform now and they are pretty different in size.

Still curious as to whether or not the 600h will survive or be killed off (or superceded by the hydrogen model). While ~460hp is good for the high end the 'prestige luxury sedan' market now pretty much requires 500+hp to be taken seriously.

Curious to see if Lexus takes the bait.

Rhambler

Yeah, while in no way am I dissatisfied with the engine, I would love to have my car with that 5 liter in it right now.

I also think the major changes are the lights and body panels and maybe the engine for 2017. Or it could simply be cosmetic and the engine waits to 2018, although that would get a lot 2017 buyers upset.

So, lights that matches Lexus' new theme with the Nike swoosh in the bumper. New platform possibly, but definitely body panel changes more in line with the RX, and, drum roll, 5 liter and 467 HP! Interior changes as well I bet. I hope they don't shove in the GSF instrument cluster theme, though. I want more information in my instrument cluster without having to switch modes or press buttons. I want time, radio, temp, nav all displayed simultaneously like an Audi.

Oh, the only downside if this happens is the price point. The base price will probably have to exceed the GSF, so we're talking in the mid $80s I bet. Base price of $85k or possibly more. Hopefully those driver aids I talked about earlier are standard.

comotiger

I hope the spindle grill doesn't get more extreme as in the GS and RX. It took a while to get used to the spindle and I kinda like it, but I don't care much for the side profile of the front end in the new RX and GS. I prefer the front wheels as close to the corners as in the BMW, and they are pushed further back in these cars.

myLexus007

The 5.0L 467HP is Lexus' top engine now, I can't see they can get away with it by not putting it on 5LS.

So I guess it will be called LS500/LS500L?

Any possibility that there will be a V6 3.0L twin turbo for the LS to compete with the Germans? They need more than just the 2.0L turbo.

Rhambler

Yeah LS 500.

I'm really curious about price points.

Here are competitor price points (base MSRP):

BMW
M5: $95k
750i: $81k

MB
E63S: $102k
S550: $96k

Now Lexus
GSF: $84k
LS 500: $? (2016: $73k)

So, I guess the LS doesn't necessarily have to cost more than a model class lower performance. At least the M5 costs more than the 750 and the E63 costs more than the S. Of course this is based on the premise that the same pecking order is maintained across manufacturers.

So what is your guess on the MSRP of the new model? Heck, after seeing the other schemes, it may be bumped only slightly. Maybe $81k?

Scrutator

I think we need a V10 in the next LS.

litesoarer

Not really.

Rhambler

Wow, after reading the pages of Lexus models with that 5 liter, some things pop up: the dreaded fuel pump. I guess Lexus isn't immune to fuel pump problems either.

Crappy direct injection engines, all with fuel pumps putting out hundreds or even thousands of PSI will break, guaranteed. A major failure point that knocks long-term reliability and longevity.

Not sure what's different in our engines versus that 5 liter, either being a fuel pump redesign and/or needing to pressurize at even higher PSIs and why the disparity of failures. Hope they fix that crap before shoving these engines in the new LS.

Hriley

Trying to search out information for the next LS, reviving this related thread. It looks like it will be the 2018 model for a redesign since 2007? Lexus is pretty good at hiding things. Any pseudo-insider news? Is the LF-FC concept still the best information available? Thanks in advance for insight.

ALtin107

Oh how I very much agree...V10!!

islandbeef

With a twin scroll turbo, better interface, better wood.....

uh-oh, it's turning into an Audi.

droclex

I agree with you on this. IMHO, of all the spindle grill iterations on current Lexus models, the current LS and 13-15 ES really are the only ones that blend more tastefully into the overall aesthetic. I wonder if Lexus designers are planning to phase out of the spindle, perhaps noticing how they've painted themselves into or corner (or maybe not). I don't mean to say that I dislike it, rather that it appears to be a polarizing design cue, so assertive that it tends to overwhelm the rest of the car. Would love to see the next gen LS refine the theme instead of amplifying it..

empringham

nooo thanks.