Consumer Reports Ultra Luxury Class May 16 Issue
03-30-16, 04:03 AM
#1
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Consumer Reports Ultra Luxury Class May 16 Issue
Anyone subscribed to CR? My friend tells me the LS came in second for the 2016 MY and BMW first, jumping from almost dead last.
Of course, it has the subjective driving characteristics as part of the score, but reliability is still in there as well.
He said the 2016 S550 came in dead last due to reliability hits.
The results are surprising in that the BMW is way up there and the Mercedes dropped. Just curious what other vehicles are on the list if anyone knows, otherwise I'll ask him again.
Of course, it has the subjective driving characteristics as part of the score, but reliability is still in there as well.
He said the 2016 S550 came in dead last due to reliability hits.
The results are surprising in that the BMW is way up there and the Mercedes dropped. Just curious what other vehicles are on the list if anyone knows, otherwise I'll ask him again.
03-30-16, 07:01 AM
#2
The new BMW and MB are the ultimate driving machines and each have been refreshed, plus both are the most technologically advanced. Both are prong to serious reliability issues. Personally I don't believe the current LS isn't in this ultra luxury class yet.
03-30-16, 08:45 AM
#3
Lexus Fanatic
[QUOTE=dlbuckls10;9427193]The new BMW and MB are the ultimate driving machines and each have been refreshed, plus both are the most technologically advanced. Both are prong to serious reliability issues. Personally I don't believe the current LS isn't in this ultra luxury class yet.[/Q
Really?? What is the LS missing that excludes from this list? It's been in this class for over 10 years.
Really?? What is the LS missing that excludes from this list? It's been in this class for over 10 years.
03-30-16, 09:02 AM
#5
Pole Position
Anyone subscribed to CR? My friend tells me the LS came in second for the 2016 MY and BMW first, jumping from almost dead last.
Of course, it has the subjective driving characteristics as part of the score, but reliability is still in there as well.
He said the 2016 S550 came in dead last due to reliability hits.
The results are surprising in that the BMW is way up there and the Mercedes dropped. Just curious what other vehicles are on the list if anyone knows, otherwise I'll ask him again.
Of course, it has the subjective driving characteristics as part of the score, but reliability is still in there as well.
He said the 2016 S550 came in dead last due to reliability hits.
The results are surprising in that the BMW is way up there and the Mercedes dropped. Just curious what other vehicles are on the list if anyone knows, otherwise I'll ask him again.
Rhambler,
An image of the comparison is attached. I apologize in advance if this violates forum rules. BMW and Lexus were 2016 MY. Audi and MB were 2015 MY.
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03-30-16, 09:55 AM
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03-30-16, 11:43 AM
#10
Hyundai...
When I was with Hyundai, it seemed when the company had more direct contact with one particular vehicle ratings entity or another, the better the vehicle would be rated by that entity in subsequent ratings. And when I say direct contact, Hyundai would host X company for this or that, and shortly thereafter, Hyundai ratings for particular vehicles would have a spike in, say ... Initial Quality, for example.
Funny how that would happen. I'm sure it was just coincidental.
Hyundai would never do anything unethical.
But I must qualify those statements with ... if I were in their position, or a similar position, and could afford to do so, I would do the same thing. Bidness is bidness. If your job is to sell cars, by all means (literally), sell cars.
7milesout
Funny how that would happen. I'm sure it was just coincidental.
Hyundai would never do anything unethical. But I must qualify those statements with ... if I were in their position, or a similar position, and could afford to do so, I would do the same thing. Bidness is bidness. If your job is to sell cars, by all means (literally), sell cars.
7milesout
03-30-16, 12:09 PM
#11
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Hey, considering how old the LS is, I think it's great. Take out that subjective driving element and I'm sure it would be in first even though this generation is on its last legs. Good showing all things considered.
03-30-16, 12:22 PM
#12
Lexus Champion
I'm pretty sure ratings in Consumer Reports aren't influenced by manufacturers or other outside vested interests. They accept no advertising and buy products the way a typical buyer would. One can disagree with their ratings and methodology perhaps, but I don't believe integrity or objectivity is an issue with CR.
The reliability ratings come from their consumer surveys. Road test and performance ratings come from their testsing process.
I'd want to see actual evidence of outside influences affecting CR's ratings instead of just a "money changing hands" statement.
The reliability ratings come from their consumer surveys. Road test and performance ratings come from their testsing process.
I'd want to see actual evidence of outside influences affecting CR's ratings instead of just a "money changing hands" statement.
03-30-16, 12:36 PM
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[QUOTE=roadfrog;9427305]
Correction: My mistake. I was referring to the BMW, Lexus and MB only. What's missing from the LS? Quality, craftsmanship and innovations. The new S-class and 7-series have up its luxury game to a whole new level. Both are solid, you can feel and see the craftsmanship. Both are near the luxury level with Bentley or Maybach and the LS is lagging and could use some serious upgrading. In terms of value and reliability the LS should be #1. Just my 2 cents and I can't wait to see what the next generation LS have to offer in terms of quality, craftsmanship and luxury.
The new BMW and MB are the ultimate driving machines and each have been refreshed, plus both are the most technologically advanced. Both are prong to serious reliability issues. Personally I don't believe the current LS isn't in this ultra luxury class yet.[/Q
Really?? What is the LS missing that excludes from this list? It's been in this class for over 10 years.
Really?? What is the LS missing that excludes from this list? It's been in this class for over 10 years.
Correction: My mistake. I was referring to the BMW, Lexus and MB only. What's missing from the LS? Quality, craftsmanship and innovations. The new S-class and 7-series have up its luxury game to a whole new level. Both are solid, you can feel and see the craftsmanship. Both are near the luxury level with Bentley or Maybach and the LS is lagging and could use some serious upgrading. In terms of value and reliability the LS should be #1. Just my 2 cents and I can't wait to see what the next generation LS have to offer in terms of quality, craftsmanship and luxury.
03-30-16, 12:44 PM
#14
Pole Position
I'm pretty sure ratings in Consumer Reports aren't influenced by manufacturers or other outside vested interests. They accept no advertising and buy products the way a typical buyer would. One can disagree with their ratings and methodology perhaps, but I don't believe integrity or objectivity is an issue with CR.
The reliability ratings come from their consumer surveys. Road test and performance ratings come from their testsing process.
I'd want to see actual evidence of outside influences affecting CR's ratings instead of just a "money changing hands" statement.
The reliability ratings come from their consumer surveys. Road test and performance ratings come from their testsing process.
I'd want to see actual evidence of outside influences affecting CR's ratings instead of just a "money changing hands" statement.
I am not sure how extensive a testing was done on the MY2016 vehicle to generate the latest scores. The road test and report on the CR website refer to the MY2013 vehicle.
03-30-16, 01:31 PM
#15
I'm pretty sure ratings in Consumer Reports aren't influenced by manufacturers or other outside vested interests. They accept no advertising and buy products the way a typical buyer would. One can disagree with their ratings and methodology perhaps, but I don't believe integrity or objectivity is an issue with CR.
The reliability ratings come from their consumer surveys. Road test and performance ratings come from their testsing process.
I'd want to see actual evidence of outside influences affecting CR's ratings instead of just a "money changing hands" statement.
The reliability ratings come from their consumer surveys. Road test and performance ratings come from their testsing process.
I'd want to see actual evidence of outside influences affecting CR's ratings instead of just a "money changing hands" statement.