Junglequac

Once the CD burner became a reality, it really did signal the end of the era after a few years. Once folks could easily both burn and rip their CD's, it spelled disaster for the record companies business model. It also made a huge impact even on major artists where now the bulk of their income comes from touring and merchandise.

I own around 2000 CD's and around 100 SACD/DVD-A's and still use them.
Don't get wrong, Spotify is a beautiful thing when you have the premium tier. To be able to queue up almost any artist in seconds from ones cell phone is just an amazing thing.

That said, the sound quality does not compare to the best CD's and the high resolution formats like the aforementioned DVD-A and SACD. Neil Young who is one of the most demanding and outspoken folks out there hated CD's, was a big supporter of DVD-Audio and now has his own music service called Pono which playback at super high resolution.

One of Tidal's marketing spiel is offering higher resolution playback than Spotify and Pandora.

SW17LS

Yeah the fact that I listen primarily to XM Satellite radio and music streamed off my iPhone is a big reason why I don't spend the money on upgraded audio packages in cars anymore. If anything I've found these formats sound worse on better systems than they do on more basic systems.

kclark2

I have a 2010 LS 460 purchased CPO at 35,000 miles. I'm now at 70,000. Had control arms replaced under warranty after I complained about noise and roughness going over bumps. No other problems except a faulty cam position sensor that left me stranded. It's now at the dealer for an overheating which I expect will require a new water pump. All in all, it's a pretty solid, reliable car and I'd recommend it. Is it from a private owner? You may need to go newer than 2010 if you want a CPO. Others can comment on their experiences with the air suspension.[/QUOTE]

Follow up 12/22. That problem I that I expected would require a water pump turned out to be a "coolant valley leak". The car spent a week at the dealer. Repair cost was about $1,000 covered by Lexus Platinum extended warranty. I'd still recommend the car to a prospective purchaser.

FatherTo1

Congrats on your new '09, Gunnin! I'm also in a 430 looking to get into a 460, but buget will limit me to 07 or 08. As for the ML audio, our 06 430 has it and, at first, I preferred my wife's 06 ES 330 Premium Audio. However, after a few months I started to notice the music definitely sounding better in the 430. I just test drove an 08 (that other forum members helped save me from) and when I tested the audio during the test drive, I immediately noticed it sounding better than the ML in our 430. I wanted to keep sit in the car and just keep listening and that was just radio quality. The bass was just so smooth and I'm not an audiophile. So ML is one thing I will look forward to on a 460, but I haven't heard what the stock stereo sounds like. Congrats again and I think you made the right choice. I like that your 09 introduced the front-passenger seat memory buttons.

Junglequac

I found there to be a massive difference between the ML system in my 2005 UL and the 460. Like night and day better. With my stepmother having purchased every iteration of the RX each fully loaded including the Levinson system once offered, my stepfather having the ML in both his GX470 and now 460 and my father having it in his ES300h Ultra Luxury, combined with my experience with my 430, I was decidedly nonplussed about it. While not Blose bad, unlike Blose, Mark Levinson offers some of the most expensive home audio gear on the market with some of it costing as much (or more) than a brand new ES or IS.

After writing professional reviews of some of Mark Levinson's home audio, this was especially disheartening. I will only say that the drive back from Charlotte, NC picking up the car restored my faith in the quality of their car audio offerings. I believe the switch to Class D amplification was huge as it draws so little power compared to the Class AB seen in the vast majority of automotive audio.

The importance of efficiency is that car manufacturers are going to choose both low cost and low current draw in the name of profit and reliability. While my home audio amplification is Class AB with a high bias into Class A operation, each of these amplifiers weigh 100 plus and would have the Prius drivers of the world ready to burn me at the state.

Long story short, the Mark Levinson Reference System in the LS460 is actually worthy of the name.

roadfrog

And that has been the reports from every publication I've read. As I've said before (and posted the various links), the ML has rivaled high-end home audio systems. I'm blown away every time I "crank up" mine. Distortion-free, bleeding ears loud, and soooooo smooth. If you ever play a movie with Dolby DTS or whatever in the system, it is amazing.

Gbp

This reminds me that I'll have to get an override so my passenger can enjoy watching movies on long road trips. Perhaps better would be a cell phone mirroring system since IIRC in January in California, it comes illegal for any handheld cell phone use, including navigation. I really would like Google Maps and navigation and perhaps video streaming on my car infotainment screen. Much safer and easier to read than my mobile phone.

Sorry for the OT....

roadfrog

Same here in Canada for the last year or so. Hefty fines if your caught. 550 dollars for the first offence.

comotiger

Gbp, please check out the thread below that I started in September. It will answer many of your questions about smartphone mirroring and DVD Nav bypass.

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls-...n-2014-ls.html

After a fair bit of research and a lot of phone time with Eric Kwon at Beatsonic, I have decided to install the IF-04EF mirroring kit from Beatsonic. Eric was also able to help me figure out a front camera solution. I will get these professionally installed in January and will post a detailed thread.

If you have any questions, talk to Eric. He is very knowledgeable and helpful. Good luck!

FatherTo1

You can play movies in the 460? Stock? I gotta look up which years can do this!

​​​​​​*Or do you mean those with the RES option?

FatherTo1

Looking forward to your write-up, comotiger.

roadfrog

Stock. On the front screen. I don't have RES. I've watched everything from Star Wars to Pearl Jam in Concert.

Gbp

For 2007-2012 LS460's, you need the ML (Mark Levinson) system to play DVD's. From 2013 forward ML isn't necessary to play them -- or so I've read. One other difference -- correct me if I'm wrong -- is that 2013+ are single disc units instead of six disc changers.

comotiger

Gbp, yes the 2013+ are single disc units. And I am pretty sure about needing ML on older cars. I had a 2012 non ML for many months and I am pretty sure it could not play DVDs. I loved having the 6 disc changer though. Nowadays I just listen using Music apps.

tallcaguy

It took a while to get used to the ML in the current car. Subwoofer is now totally rebuilt which helps. There's an "in the same room" clarity. Fragile? Sure speakers and amp are a replacement at some point. It will be interesting to try the were version.