2018 Lexus LS Revealed!!
#106
^^ when change is for the BETTER, there is no difficulty. In this case, it is painfully difficult because the car is just an abomination in my opinion. From design to engine, it's a fail. I don't care how much torque a V6 can offer, nothing compares to a V8. And if that V6 has that STUPID start/stop function, it will be even more of a fail. It might be the most reliable car on earth, it might have great gas mileage, it might have all the tech I never use, but the design is hideous. I mean, look at the 2016 XJ-L -- you can still get a supercharged V8. Oh wait.... Lexus now competes with the 5 series BMW, my bad. Sorry Lexus, you just lost a long time faithful customer with that design and engine.
#107
Wait and see what engines they offer in the XJ when its redesigned...its also a very old design.
Just remember, this exact thread with these exact reactions existed when the LS460 was launched, and still comes up from time to time and we all love our 460s, and many of those 430 owners now own 460s. Was no different when the 4GS came out, a lot of those 3GS owners now own the 4GS.
It will come around.
Just remember, this exact thread with these exact reactions existed when the LS460 was launched, and still comes up from time to time and we all love our 460s, and many of those 430 owners now own 460s. Was no different when the 4GS came out, a lot of those 3GS owners now own the 4GS.
It will come around.
#108
Wait and see what engines they offer in the XJ when its redesigned...its also a very old design.
Just remember, this exact thread with these exact reactions existed when the LS460 was launched, and still comes up from time to time and we all love our 460s, and many of those 430 owners now own 460s. Was no different when the 4GS came out, a lot of those 3GS owners now own the 4GS.
It will come around.
Just remember, this exact thread with these exact reactions existed when the LS460 was launched, and still comes up from time to time and we all love our 460s, and many of those 430 owners now own 460s. Was no different when the 4GS came out, a lot of those 3GS owners now own the 4GS.
It will come around.
#109
You're not going to please everybody, but if you bring some of the old people along and bring in some new people, thats a win. Lexus is changing, their design sensibilities and goals are changing. I actually expected the new LS to be more radical than it is, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm even coming around on the V6...gotta drive it...but every time I look at the pictures it grows on me.
#110
Thats you, that wasn't everybody. Lots of 3GS owners moved on to 4GS vehicles, many of whom were very vocal about their dislike of the 4GS when it came out. Lots of LS430 owners still very vocally dislike the LS460. Lots of LS400 owners vocally dislike the LS430. Thats par for the course.
You're not going to please everybody, but if you bring some of the old people along and bring in some new people, thats a win. Lexus is changing, their design sensibilities and goals are changing. I actually expected the new LS to be more radical than it is, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm even coming around on the V6...gotta drive it...but every time I look at the pictures it grows on me.
You're not going to please everybody, but if you bring some of the old people along and bring in some new people, thats a win. Lexus is changing, their design sensibilities and goals are changing. I actually expected the new LS to be more radical than it is, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm even coming around on the V6...gotta drive it...but every time I look at the pictures it grows on me.
FOr Example, Jaguar XJ looks amazing, and I give them credit for trying to carry on a tradition of elegant cars. One of the kind elegant cars. Why cant LS find its place in a market is beyond me.
#111
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but...
I don't understand the *****ing about the new version. Styling, especially in a picture, reveals absolutely nothing. Reading some of you is make me chuckle a bit as I recall them *****ing about the overdone styling of the prototype, and to now find you here saying it's not enough. Go figure.
You need to wait and see it in person... sit in it... drive it... feel it... to get the actual vibe of the vehicule. Your comments, to me, is pure speculation based on a 2D snapshot.
As for the V6... well... again byt the looks of it, it might be disapointing... then again all the Big Ones are downsizing... MB's S-class has a V6 entry point... so does BMW.
Not ready to trade-in yet, but I'll sure go have a look and test drive when they arrive... before giving my final judgement.
I don't understand the *****ing about the new version. Styling, especially in a picture, reveals absolutely nothing. Reading some of you is make me chuckle a bit as I recall them *****ing about the overdone styling of the prototype, and to now find you here saying it's not enough. Go figure.
You need to wait and see it in person... sit in it... drive it... feel it... to get the actual vibe of the vehicule. Your comments, to me, is pure speculation based on a 2D snapshot.
As for the V6... well... again byt the looks of it, it might be disapointing... then again all the Big Ones are downsizing... MB's S-class has a V6 entry point... so does BMW.
Not ready to trade-in yet, but I'll sure go have a look and test drive when they arrive... before giving my final judgement.
#112
The displacement vs model numbering hasn't made sense for awhile now, even for Lexus. Look at their hybrids. The LS600hL has a 5.0L v8 plus electric motors. The GS450H has a 3.5L V6 plus electrics...etc. They explained that it's the equivalent to displacement on a non-electrified car, and the same idea is being applied to turbocharging now as well.
#113
I'm on my 5th LS right now and this new release is pretty disappointing. Clearly can't even compete with an S550, which was introduced 1/2 decade prior. I would argue it's barely on-point with the 09 750LI's brought to market nearly a decade ago.
Our only hope is Lexus won't shoot themselves in the foot with MSRP, as they did with the GS-F. If they seriously try to ask a base north of 80-90k, they'll achieve the same result in sales that the GS-F's did.....pathetic.
Our only hope is Lexus won't shoot themselves in the foot with MSRP, as they did with the GS-F. If they seriously try to ask a base north of 80-90k, they'll achieve the same result in sales that the GS-F's did.....pathetic.
#114
Ok all you who are bashing really need to stop, every reviewer is giving the car such great feedback and how it's on par with Germans if not better. Now I just feel you guys are bashing for the he'll of it.
#115
First off I agree with your above post, people need to give the new design the benefit of the doubt before they pass final judgement.
To be fair though, the S Class has a standard V8 in the US. The 7 has a standard straight 6, but optional V8 power.
I would have no issue with the standard V6 if there was a V8 available.
To be fair though, the S Class has a standard V8 in the US. The 7 has a standard straight 6, but optional V8 power.
I would have no issue with the standard V6 if there was a V8 available.
#116
Thats you, that wasn't everybody. Lots of 3GS owners moved on to 4GS vehicles, many of whom were very vocal about their dislike of the 4GS when it came out. Lots of LS430 owners still very vocally dislike the LS460. Lots of LS400 owners vocally dislike the LS430. Thats par for the course.
You're not going to please everybody, but if you bring some of the old people along and bring in some new people, thats a win. Lexus is changing, their design sensibilities and goals are changing. I actually expected the new LS to be more radical than it is, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm even coming around on the V6...gotta drive it...but every time I look at the pictures it grows on me.
You're not going to please everybody, but if you bring some of the old people along and bring in some new people, thats a win. Lexus is changing, their design sensibilities and goals are changing. I actually expected the new LS to be more radical than it is, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm even coming around on the V6...gotta drive it...but every time I look at the pictures it grows on me.
Look at Prius, and the forthcoming 2018 Camry as well.
Akio the grandson shouldn't be allowed to input design, if that's what's going on.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I'm okay with the 3.5 TT for the sake of fuel efficiency and price, though the smoothness of the V8 will be badly missed.
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#117
Its weak , and would only make sense as a base model for people who are looking for a more budget friendly option
First off I agree with your above post, people need to give the new design the benefit of the doubt before they pass final judgement.
To be fair though, the S Class has a standard V8 in the US. The 7 has a standard straight 6, but optional V8 power.
I would have no issue with the standard V6 if there was a V8 available.
To be fair though, the S Class has a standard V8 in the US. The 7 has a standard straight 6, but optional V8 power.
I would have no issue with the standard V6 if there was a V8 available.
The only positive I can think of is that once the car is released people will be swapping out those two turbos for some larger ones and we may see some massive HP numbers on these cars, especially if the tranny can handle it.
This powertrain cant even compete with a 2003 Mercedes S55 , it would be laughable if it wasn't so sad
#118
Usually I'd disagree because with the exception of the Lexus Hybrids, the badge always depicted displacement. Now that the LS is going to follow suit to mirror the competition, might as well accept that this won't be the last Lexus to do it.
#119
#120
I wonder if Lexus has something up their sleeve for a V8 model. I think I'm in fantasy land here, but could they be putting the GS-F 5.0 in the LS500? One could hope! I'm still baffled at how the Genesis G90 can offer a V6 TT as well as a V8, but Lexus can't offer a V8 as an option in their flagship sedan? That being said, I have a feeling this car will sell well (15K+ units in the first year). I'm also curious to see what a stripped LS500 will look like vs. the pictures we've seen. The RX350 looks horrible IMO as a base model, but beautiful as an F-sport.