Out with 2008 LS600hL, in with 2017 Genesis G90
03-08-18, 07:57 AM
#106
Lexus is going through the same transformation process now as Cadillac just finished: how does your brand not just survive, but stay relevant and flourish when your historical customer base is aging out of driving age?
During this transition it may appear Lexus is sending mixed signals about the brand through their designs, and in fact they are because they are trying to offer designs that appeal to both the outgoing and incoming customer base--- with an age spread of 30-40 years. Blank canvas, limited product line Genesis does not have this challenge.
During this transition it may appear Lexus is sending mixed signals about the brand through their designs, and in fact they are because they are trying to offer designs that appeal to both the outgoing and incoming customer base--- with an age spread of 30-40 years. Blank canvas, limited product line Genesis does not have this challenge.
03-08-18, 07:28 PM
#107
Lexus Fanatic
Blank canvas, limited product line Genesis does not have this challenge.
03-09-18, 07:44 AM
#108
I agree somewhat, but the G90 is appealing to a broader generation base, without ticking anyone off. The G90 (style and performance wise IE: available V8), appeals to me and probably younger folk. The G90 looks and performs like the new LS SHOULD. My 22 year old son thinks it looks "dope" and my 56 year old butt agrees! lol
03-20-18, 09:08 AM
#111
Instructor
Thread Starter
The folks over on the Mercedes S-Class forum are discussing the new Genesis G90 also, and while most on that forum snub the G90 as not being in the same class as the S, some are making valid points about things it does even better than the new S.
Here's the thread for those interested: https://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-cla...g90-redux.html
Here's the thread for those interested: https://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-cla...g90-redux.html
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03-25-18, 01:20 PM
#113
Congrats, You have indeed made a bold move.
I too have been following Genesis since its inception. I am looking forward to reading your update on the new Genesis. However, I have one question. This is only my personal view. The Genesis TT V6 is actually quite different in class with the LS600hL. Is there any other sore areas in the Lexus you have experienced other than its lack of sportiness?
Thank you for sharing your switch in such great details.
Thank you for sharing your switch in such great details.
03-25-18, 06:15 PM
#114
Pole Position
LOL, the OP made an even bolder move and switched back to an LS460L! See posts 102 and 103 above.
See posts 102 and 103 above.
03-26-18, 06:51 AM
#116
Instructor
Thread Starter
Guilty as charged! I recommend reading the full thread to understand my "journey" from a 2008 LS600hL to a 2017 Genesis G90 and now back to a 2010 LS460L. I mostly really enjoyed my G90, but had a few minor gripes about the car, and found the dealer experience to be severely lacking. In the end, I find my LS460L to be a better fit for me right now, despite the relatively shortage of the safety features embedded in the G90.
03-27-18, 09:05 PM
#117
IT's hard to say whether you are guilty of dumping the G90 for the LS460L; or, of giving up the LS600hL then settling for the LS460L. Nonetheless, true love prevails, so to speak.
My sincere question is I need some ownership advice on LS600hL as I am planning to go check out one 2010 LS600hL AWD fully loaded. Is this almost the top of the line Lexus?
I saw the CR reliability report. It seems to point specifically to the weak air suspension for 2010. Apparently, some owner complained it didn't last more than 70K mi, and it cost $6,000 to replace in 2016. What is your experience with your 2008 LS600hL in terms of maintenance cost?
My sincere question is I need some ownership advice on LS600hL as I am planning to go check out one 2010 LS600hL AWD fully loaded. Is this almost the top of the line Lexus?
I saw the CR reliability report. It seems to point specifically to the weak air suspension for 2010. Apparently, some owner complained it didn't last more than 70K mi, and it cost $6,000 to replace in 2016. What is your experience with your 2008 LS600hL in terms of maintenance cost?
03-28-18, 05:46 AM
#118
Instructor
Thread Starter
IT's hard to say whether you are guilty of dumping the G90 for the LS460L; or, of giving up the LS600hL then settling for the LS460L. Nonetheless, true love prevails, so to speak.
My sincere question is I need some ownership advice on LS600hL as I am planning to go check out one 2010 LS600hL AWD fully loaded. Is this almost the top of the line Lexus?
I saw the CR reliability report. It seems to point specifically to the weak air suspension for 2010. Apparently, some owner complained it didn't last more than 70K mi, and it cost $6,000 to replace in 2016. What is your experience with your 2008 LS600hL in terms of maintenance cost?
My sincere question is I need some ownership advice on LS600hL as I am planning to go check out one 2010 LS600hL AWD fully loaded. Is this almost the top of the line Lexus?
I saw the CR reliability report. It seems to point specifically to the weak air suspension for 2010. Apparently, some owner complained it didn't last more than 70K mi, and it cost $6,000 to replace in 2016. What is your experience with your 2008 LS600hL in terms of maintenance cost?
Having owned both a LS600hL and now a LS460L, I can say with certainty that I would prefer to own the 600hL. The LS460L is a great car, and I really don't have any complaints about my 2010. But the 600hL is more powerful, quieter, and has amenities that can't be found in the LS460L, and I'd honestly rather be driving the 600 than the 460. It really is the Lexus flagship!
I'd happily buy a 2010 LS600hL if the price was right and the car had been well maintained. I do think anyone buying an 8 year old flagship luxury car (like the LS600 or the LS460) should have adequate backup resources to withstand a fairly major repair (air ride suspension, control arms, ML amp failure, hybrid batteries, etc.). You end up paying around 20-25% of the original cost of the car, and you have to be willing to spend money on repairs to make up for the bargain you're getting. I paid $21,600 for my 2010 LS460L, so I'd have to spend a LOT on repairs to come anywhere close to what I spent on depreciation on my 2008 LS600hL (and it would be way worse if I had bought the LS600 new!).
If you have any specific questions about my LS600hL ownership experience, fire them my way!
03-28-18, 07:06 AM
#119
I owned my 2008 LS600hL from June 14 - July 17. In that time, I only had one mechanical issue - a bad Bank 2 O2 Sensor that was replaced by the Lexus dealer under the CPO warranty. On my car, all 4 of the air shocks had been replaced before I bought it (all replaced around 45-50K miles). The Upper Control Arms were replaced just before I bought the car. I did live in a certain amount of fear that my hybrid batteries would die, and that wore on me over time. There is also an incredibly expensive exhaust issue that the 600s are somewhat susceptible to that could be very bad if it happens, but it seems fairly rare.
Having owned both a LS600hL and now a LS460L, I can say with certainty that I would prefer to own the 600hL. The LS460L is a great car, and I really don't have any complaints about my 2010. But the 600hL is more powerful, quieter, and has amenities that can't be found in the LS460L, and I'd honestly rather be driving the 600 than the 460. It really is the Lexus flagship!
I'd happily buy a 2010 LS600hL if the price was right and the car had been well maintained. I do think anyone buying an 8 year old flagship luxury car (like the LS600 or the LS460) should have adequate backup resources to withstand a fairly major repair (air ride suspension, control arms, ML amp failure, hybrid batteries, etc.). You end up paying around 20-25% of the original cost of the car, and you have to be willing to spend money on repairs to make up for the bargain you're getting. I paid $21,600 for my 2010 LS460L, so I'd have to spend a LOT on repairs to come anywhere close to what I spent on depreciation on my 2008 LS600hL (and it would be way worse if I had bought the LS600 new!).
If you have any specific questions about my LS600hL ownership experience, fire them my way!
Having owned both a LS600hL and now a LS460L, I can say with certainty that I would prefer to own the 600hL. The LS460L is a great car, and I really don't have any complaints about my 2010. But the 600hL is more powerful, quieter, and has amenities that can't be found in the LS460L, and I'd honestly rather be driving the 600 than the 460. It really is the Lexus flagship!
I'd happily buy a 2010 LS600hL if the price was right and the car had been well maintained. I do think anyone buying an 8 year old flagship luxury car (like the LS600 or the LS460) should have adequate backup resources to withstand a fairly major repair (air ride suspension, control arms, ML amp failure, hybrid batteries, etc.). You end up paying around 20-25% of the original cost of the car, and you have to be willing to spend money on repairs to make up for the bargain you're getting. I paid $21,600 for my 2010 LS460L, so I'd have to spend a LOT on repairs to come anywhere close to what I spent on depreciation on my 2008 LS600hL (and it would be way worse if I had bought the LS600 new!).
If you have any specific questions about my LS600hL ownership experience, fire them my way!
03-28-18, 07:14 AM
#120
Instructor
Thread Starter
Most LS600hL models come equipped with virtually every option available on the LS460L (although not all will have the LKA and Driver Attention Monitor). Most seem to have the rear-seat entertainment package (DVD), reclining rear seats, stereo controls in the rear seat, etc.
Unique to the LS600hL is the 5.0L V8, which when combined with the hybrid motors, makes the car even more powerful and quite a bit quieter than the LS460L. The torque produced by the hybrid motors makes the car an absolute rocket from 45-85 mph (driving at 45 and flooring the car is an experience every car enthusiast should have at least once). I'm not a huge CVT fan for most cars, but the LS600hL gets away with it perfectly due to the engine configuration (huge torque), and the lack of perceptible gear shifts is a nice feature, in my book. Also unique to the LS600hL is the leather stitched dash. That, along with the leather-covered arm rests, means no fear of "melting" rubber arm rests or dashboards that is somewhat common in the early LS460s.
The price premium when new is insane - around $30k. But on the used market, a LS600hL is a much smaller price premium over a similar LS460L (maybe $5-10k). I think the LS600hL is a great value in the 2008-2012 model years right now, but like I said before, you should budget for unexpected expensive repairs (air shocks, hybrid batteries, control arms, etc.). Good luck!
Unique to the LS600hL is the 5.0L V8, which when combined with the hybrid motors, makes the car even more powerful and quite a bit quieter than the LS460L. The torque produced by the hybrid motors makes the car an absolute rocket from 45-85 mph (driving at 45 and flooring the car is an experience every car enthusiast should have at least once). I'm not a huge CVT fan for most cars, but the LS600hL gets away with it perfectly due to the engine configuration (huge torque), and the lack of perceptible gear shifts is a nice feature, in my book. Also unique to the LS600hL is the leather stitched dash. That, along with the leather-covered arm rests, means no fear of "melting" rubber arm rests or dashboards that is somewhat common in the early LS460s.
The price premium when new is insane - around $30k. But on the used market, a LS600hL is a much smaller price premium over a similar LS460L (maybe $5-10k). I think the LS600hL is a great value in the 2008-2012 model years right now, but like I said before, you should budget for unexpected expensive repairs (air shocks, hybrid batteries, control arms, etc.). Good luck!