Oil Change - Synthetic Blend or Full Synthetic?
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Oil Change - Synthetic Blend or Full Synthetic?
Friends,
My local Lexus dealer is insisting that the 2013 LS460 takes "synthetic blend" oil, rather than "full synthetic".
(I've searched the forums, but the answer isn't definitive.)
I am wondering if you guys/gals can chime in... what is the correct motor oil for this vehicle?
My local Lexus dealer is insisting that the 2013 LS460 takes "synthetic blend" oil, rather than "full synthetic".
(I've searched the forums, but the answer isn't definitive.)
I am wondering if you guys/gals can chime in... what is the correct motor oil for this vehicle?
#2
Hey Jason, nice to hear from you again after a while! My dealer has used full synthetic at my request a couple of times, and I have provided them Mobil 1 ultimate full synthetic to use the last two visits. No pushback. I don’t know why your dealer insists on the blend, unless there is a price difference. Don’t know if this answers your question, but full synthetic can’t hurt.
#3
Friends,
My local Lexus dealer is insisting that the 2013 LS460 takes "synthetic blend" oil, rather than "full synthetic".
(I've searched the forums, but the answer isn't definitive.)
I am wondering if you guys/gals can chime in... what is the correct motor oil for this vehicle?
My local Lexus dealer is insisting that the 2013 LS460 takes "synthetic blend" oil, rather than "full synthetic".
(I've searched the forums, but the answer isn't definitive.)
I am wondering if you guys/gals can chime in... what is the correct motor oil for this vehicle?
#4
I thought all 0-20w oil was 100% synthetic oil....... Is this a Lexus dealer telling you this?
I would use 100% synthetic because the price difference is not much more than a synthetic blend oil and the 100% synthetic oil is better protection.
I would use 100% synthetic because the price difference is not much more than a synthetic blend oil and the 100% synthetic oil is better protection.
#6
As stated already, 0W20 only comes in full synthetic. Since 0W20 is the recommended oil, that pretty much answers the question. The price difference between full syn and blended is nominal, go with full syn. It's also a superior oil, containing far more moly, which is a good thing.
#7
I have no idea why anyone in their right mind would choose blend over full synthetic, the price difference as many have said is nominal..
Pay to play. I even put synthetic in my Honda S2000 (Amsoil) and same with my sportbikes that I track.
Pay to play. I even put synthetic in my Honda S2000 (Amsoil) and same with my sportbikes that I track.
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I would never, ever, use a synthetic blend. They aren't required to tell you the percentages of that blend; people assume it's 50/50, it's not, it could be 10/90...they don't have to disclose that. Imagine that?
#10
Even what is advertised as a "full synthetic" or "synthetic" in the US over a "synthetic blend" if often not a actual Group 4 full synthetic. They are able to advertise a highly refined synthetic blend in the US as synthetic for the past few years as opposed to other countries where it has to be full Group 4 synthetic to be advertised as synthetic. The full group 4 synthetics in the US are German Castrol OW 30, Royal Purple, Amsoil, Motul, Redline, and a few others. Mobile 1 5W 30, Penzoil, and the stuff Lexus puts in at the dealership are generally not full Group 4 synthetics but refined synthetic blends. US Castrol oils are highly refined synthetic blends, the ones from Germany or European countries are full Group 4.
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Even what is advertised as a "full synthetic" or "synthetic" in the US over a "synthetic blend" if often not a actual Group 4 full synthetic. They are able to advertise a highly refined synthetic blend in the US as synthetic for the past few years as opposed to other countries where it has to be full Group 4 synthetic to be advertised as synthetic. The full group 4 synthetics in the US are German Castrol OW 30, Royal Purple, Amsoil, Motul, Redline, and a few others. Mobile 1 5W 30, Penzoil, and the stuff Lexus puts in at the dealership are generally not full Group 4 synthetics but refined synthetic blends. US Castrol oils are highly refined synthetic blends, the ones from Germany or European countries are full Group 4.
#12
Yes, I've been frustrated trying to get a straight answer from US oil companies as to whether their "full synthetic" oils are indeed full synthetic. Judging by the dancing around in their answers as to what can be called a full synthetic oil in the US, I've come to the conclusion that they aren't!
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FWIW, I've been running Mobil 1 as my only oil for internal combustion engines save for two (diesel motorcoach and lawn equipment), since the late-80s.
Even with 10K-15K mile change intervals, I've never had an oil-related engine problem, and multiple vehicles of mine I've kept until over 200K miles.
Oh, the two Mercedes sedans didn't get M1, either, but rather, dead-dino C4 diesel oil, because that's what Mercedes called for in 10W40.
Honestly, with a 9 litre sump for a 4.6L engine, 10K miles on a U.S.-spec higher-end synthetic blend, but NOT one labeled a blend, is child's play. Our 4.6L V8 is low-revving most of the time, i.e., it's not a bike motor.
This time around, on both my 460 and my wife's RX300, I'm going to draw samples of motor oil and send it to Blackstone for analysis. I'll do the same for transmission oil, though her RX is on a regular drain/fill regimen. My 460's transmission system hasn't ever been opened, but I'm changing the fluid and filter in the next few months. No flushing, but I do have a 12V pump meant for oil, and a couple of five gallon buckets for swapping it all out. I want to know how used up the OEM fluid was and I'm going to examine the filter to see how much clutch material is present.
Even conventional dead dinosaur juice is fine for 5K miles, as long as you're not pulling 8K RPM at every third shift, or idling more than you're moving.
If you use Mobil 1 and follow Toyota's 10K mile change interval, you'll be fine. Just don't forget to change the air filters periodically.
Even with 10K-15K mile change intervals, I've never had an oil-related engine problem, and multiple vehicles of mine I've kept until over 200K miles.
Oh, the two Mercedes sedans didn't get M1, either, but rather, dead-dino C4 diesel oil, because that's what Mercedes called for in 10W40.
Honestly, with a 9 litre sump for a 4.6L engine, 10K miles on a U.S.-spec higher-end synthetic blend, but NOT one labeled a blend, is child's play. Our 4.6L V8 is low-revving most of the time, i.e., it's not a bike motor.
This time around, on both my 460 and my wife's RX300, I'm going to draw samples of motor oil and send it to Blackstone for analysis. I'll do the same for transmission oil, though her RX is on a regular drain/fill regimen. My 460's transmission system hasn't ever been opened, but I'm changing the fluid and filter in the next few months. No flushing, but I do have a 12V pump meant for oil, and a couple of five gallon buckets for swapping it all out. I want to know how used up the OEM fluid was and I'm going to examine the filter to see how much clutch material is present.
Even conventional dead dinosaur juice is fine for 5K miles, as long as you're not pulling 8K RPM at every third shift, or idling more than you're moving.
If you use Mobil 1 and follow Toyota's 10K mile change interval, you'll be fine. Just don't forget to change the air filters periodically.