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Old 06-27-18, 09:05 AM
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Default Installed a large transmission cooler

No, I'm not towing with it, but I do drive in hot climates, in traffic, and transmission oil meets an early death, starting at 225F.

I put the largest Hayden on there I thought would comfortably fit, the 679, and after a few weeks, took the Fakestream out for some temperature measurin'.

Ambient was 102F, I'd just driven home 26 miles on 80-90 MPH freeway, then about 10 minutes on surface streets.

Other readings are also about 10-12F lower, and I'm pleased there is at least a 10F cushion on engine temp vs. transmission temp. Because of the in-radiator cooler, trans temp will never be lower than engine temperature, after the engine is warm, unless there is an external radiator.

It's not like a cooler is going to keep transmission oil at ambient...just not going to happen.

I even sprayed the cooler with water from a garden hose for about three minutes, never got below 162F, and that was in "P", when the converter isn't doing much of anything.
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Did you install it before or after factory cooler? or did you bypass it?
Post some pictures.
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After. Putting it before the OEM cooler is pointless, and while I did consider taking the OEM out of the circuit, entirely, it probably helps a bit.

There's not much to see, honestly, and nowhere to take a picture from...at least one that'll be worth a damn.
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Normally adding a cooler with its internal passages drops the pressure inside the trans. A million years ago we would increase the trans pressure to restore it to the previous levels after installing a cooler
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Caflashbob, I can't understand how a post-radiator cooler could lower pressure, as the transmission's pump pulls from the pan, which is at -0- PSI of pressure.

There's very likely more restriction in the aftermarket cooler, so, if anything, pressure would increase, though only post-converter, which does us no good.

Wait.

"A million years ago"?! Hey! I'm about to crank up the line pressures in a Mopar 46RE (a 727 Torqueflite with an overdrive literally bolted to the tail) which is in my '98 Grand Cherokee 5.9, because I want tire-chirping 1-2 and 2-3 gear changes when at full chat.

In fact, I'd crank up the line pressure a little in the AA80E, if I could figure out how to do so. I don't like slushy shifting. Shifts should be crisp and firm, though not harsh. Clutches last longer that way.

Oh...the ZJ is 20 years old, isn't it.... Wow.
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We used to use a clutch flite for better ET’s, clutch turbo hydro for more mph.

Additional feet in a pressure line anywhere normally drop the pressure?
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Not a yoda tech but 6 years in the trans industry and cooling flow returned is **typically** just used as coolant and lube for critical areas. Line pressure powers drums and pistons and although line pressure may in fact be cooling line pressure, a cooler inducing pressure drop is not a factor as return line is a series of controlled leaks each just enough to keep the bearing, bushing, gear set alive.
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Originally Posted by mckellyb
After. Putting it before the OEM cooler is pointless, and while I did consider taking the OEM out of the circuit, entirely, it probably helps a bit.

There's not much to see, honestly, and nowhere to take a picture from...at least one that'll be worth a damn.
On the radiator, does driver's side ATF port goes to the cooler inlet or passenger side? Sorry, I just don't know the direction of flow.
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Flows from passenger to drivers side.
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No, it's exactly the opposite.

Hot from the trans goes into the driver's (port) side of the radiator. Return to the trans is on the passenger's (starboard) side.
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My 2007 flows from the passenger side of the radiator and exits on the driver's side. I just flushed my whole system using this method. I would think all 460s would be this way but I could be wrong since your saying otherwise. My 400 and 430 were the same way.
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Wow.

I know mine flows port to starboard because I recently changed the fluid and just put in the cooler.

I'm going to have to check, next time I'm under there...
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Originally Posted by sha4000
My 2007 flows from the passenger side of the radiator and exits on the driver's side. I just flushed my whole system using this method. I would think all 460s would be this way but I could be wrong since your saying otherwise. My 400 and 430 were the same way.
I’m about to flush my 2014, did you connect a hose onto the fitting or used the existing hose, once removed from the fitting?
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Wow.

I know mine flows port to starboard because I recently changed the fluid and just put in the cooler.

I'm going to have to check, next time I'm under there...
well, did you check? What year is your Ls460?
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