For Those Using Synthetic Oil In Your LS460
08-26-18, 05:27 PM
#31
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Thread Starter
I recall someone posting a TSB directly from Lexus which stated otherwise. The 10K intervals were intended only for vehicles that came with synthetic oil from the factory. Even if synthetic was used, a 5K change interval was needed.
08-26-18, 05:33 PM
#32
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Thread Starter
I wonder how much if any MPG would improve with synthetic versus conventional oil? I’m going to do an experiment on this as I’ve been tracking MPG on both the car display and my own calculations since I’ve had the car these past four months. My LS has had dealer oil changes since new every 5K miles. I just did an oil change myself with full synthetic. Let’s see what happens.
The results are in! After two full tanks, identical MPG.
08-27-18, 05:49 PM
#33
Performance Oil in LS460 F Sport
Hey guys, I’ve been debating to run 5W-20 Performance Full Synthetic Oil In my LS 460 F sport. I’ve read in another thread the 0W-20 oil is recommended for a 4.6L V8 because of the good gas mileage it provides. Any input from you guys is a great help. Thanks!
08-28-18, 04:49 AM
#34
Instructor
My CT and IS, I do 10k.
All full synthetic.
My S2000 I do 7500.
08-28-18, 08:30 AM
#35
I feel that the extended (10k) oil changes plays largely into lower owner cost estimates that are highly advertised. Lots of drivers likely don't pop open their hood so it is a riskier option if their engine starts consuming oil over that 10k interval and potential issues stemming from running with low engine oil levels rather than oil life/quality or filter issues. The swap to 0W-20 from 5W-20 is especially notable for US owners as CAFE standards and emissions seem to factor into that larger recommendation for better fuel economy, however small it might be in the real world.
DIY oil changes being relatively easy, I opt for a shorter OCI (3.1-4.5k miles) that sync better with non USA mileage intervals, particularly the severe one as my operating temps are regularly above 90 F and stop-n-go driving occurs regularly. Lower oil costs and a medium duty filter (Bosch premium), alongside a Fumoto valve make this a relatively quick procedure for my 600h as well being easier on the wallet.
Lexus EU Maintenance Schedule
DIY oil changes being relatively easy, I opt for a shorter OCI (3.1-4.5k miles) that sync better with non USA mileage intervals, particularly the severe one as my operating temps are regularly above 90 F and stop-n-go driving occurs regularly. Lower oil costs and a medium duty filter (Bosch premium), alongside a Fumoto valve make this a relatively quick procedure for my 600h as well being easier on the wallet.
Lexus EU Maintenance Schedule
08-29-18, 11:01 AM
#36
I'm not saying everyone should change to 10,000 mile OCIs with synthetic, just what we and others received from Toyota.
08-07-21, 12:32 AM
#37
08-07-21, 02:17 AM
#38
Effectively, it looks like Lexus has certain engines where 0W-20 is exclusively what they recommend in a particular vehicle/engine, while other vehicles/engines have 0W-20 synthetic as an option. When 0W-20 synthetic is exclusive, the changing interval is 10k miles, yet when 0W-20 synthetic is an option, it drops to 5k miles. No idea why.
Now that's what I think they are saying in the Bulletin. Why they actually did it is almost certainly an entirely different matter.
Last edited by DrQuality; 08-07-21 at 02:25 AM.
08-09-21, 06:15 AM
#39
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The most important thing to keeping an engine healthy is the oil and a quality oil filter and synthetic oil is inexpensive compared to an engine…. I will keep doing my 5000 mile synthetic oil changes.
08-09-21, 06:18 AM
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08-26-22, 06:52 AM
#41
Check out: www.amsoil.com Just do a "vehicle look up" for all products for your vehicle. The Amsoil Ea oil filters the best filters that I have come across and I have used them in all my vehicles for years along with their synthetic oils....... Just look at the "construction" of the Lexus Ea oil filter compared to the OEM and you will see what I mean. Oil Filters are the most important part on an engine no matter what type of oil (synthetic or dino) you use so why "cheap out" on the filter.
Just to save my colleagues here some legwork, here is a list of part numbers I have assembled for replacement oil filter cartridges for my 2007 Lexus LS460.
ACDelco PF2660 Duraguard Gold (Cellulose)
Amsoil EA15K49 (Synthetic)
BeckArnley 041-0818 (Cellulose)
Bosch 3981 (Cellulose)
Denso 150-3020 (Cellulose)
FRAM XG10158 Ultra 20K Protection (Synthetic)
FRAM FS10158 Titanium 20K Protection (Synthetic)
FRAM FF10158 Force 15K Protection (Cellulose & Synthetic)
FRAM TG10158 Tough Guard 15K Protection (Cellulose & Synthetic)
FRAM CH10158 Extra Guard 10K Protection (Cellulose & Synthetic)
FRAM FD10158 Drive 7.5K Protection (Cellulose & Synthetic)
K&N HP-7023 (Synthetic)
Mobil1 M1C256A Extended Performance Oil Filter (Synthetic)
NAPA 7173 Gold (Cellulose)
NAPA 47173 Platinum (Synthetic)
NAPA 27173 ProSelect (Cellulose)
Purolator Boss PBL25609 15K Protection (Synthetic)
Purolator ONE PL25609 10K Protection (Synthetic)
Purolator L25609 5k Protection (Cellulose)
RoyalPurple 20-968 Extended Life (Synthetic)
STP S10158XL Extended Life (Synthetic)
Toyota OEM 04152-YZZA5 (Cellulose) (supersedes 04152-38010)
Toyota TRD PTR43-00079 (Synthetic)
Wix 57173 (Cellulose)
Last time I used the Mobil1 synthetic filter. It is manufactured by Champion Laboratories, a volume producer of oil filters … and it does so under no less than 30 different private labels & house brands. One reveal is that it is stamped "mmddyy EEn Product of USA Producto De EUA." Another reveal is that the Walmart webpage for the product plainly states the manufacturer is Champion. You can pick up the Mobil1 synthetic filter at O'Reilly, AutoZone, Advance & Amazon for about $17 before tax.
The RoyalPurple, ToyotaTRD & Amsoil filters are all the EXACT SAME FILTER (other than cosmetic branding). And yes they are all made by Champion Laboratories. The comments and photos I saw indicated the quality of construction is quite high. Unlike all the others, they have metal end caps with silicone seals, metal cores and the filter material is mesh-backed. The RoyalPurple flavor is the least-expensive of the three. The least-expensive sourcing is Walmart-sold&shipped for $16.75 plus a $7 shipping charge, before tax.
The various cellulose filters were generally available in the $6 to $13 range.
I saw enough negative comments along the way to sway me away from FRAM, Purolator, STP. YMMV. BeckArnley is now a brand owned by a company named DR1VParts and apparently has become mostly a reboxer of sourced parts. The NAPA Gold oil filter appears to be sourced from Wix. STP is licensed to AutoZone by Energizer Holdings for house-branding its oil & air filters.
Last edited by DrQuality; 08-28-22 at 12:43 AM.
08-29-22, 06:29 AM
#42
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Great information here ^ from DrQuality……… THANKS for doing the research and posting the results.
BTW! Our 2012 LS just turned 100K miles and the engine is running strong with very little oil consumption……. Thanks to Amsoil and Ea oil filters.
BTW! Our 2012 LS just turned 100K miles and the engine is running strong with very little oil consumption……. Thanks to Amsoil and Ea oil filters.
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08-29-22, 07:29 AM
#43
I run Castrol Syntec 5w30, and change it every 4-5k miles. I usually use a Bosch filter but have used Mobile 1 when I couldn't get a Bosch in time. You can tell the oil needs changed at that point. I do not think I would ever let any oil go 10k miles without a change.
08-31-22, 09:31 AM
#44
Installed the amzoil 0-20 yesterday. My feeling on my oil use is the motor was never broke in properly. 10 years old. 54k miles. Idled around basically. Now I am running it to redline regularly. For sure 10k change intervals. Or longer
08-31-22, 09:47 AM
#45
Can you elaborate, please? I'm doing same in about 1k.