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I’ll remember that the next time I’m getting service in Maryland.
I'd double check with your dealer and make sure that they use it.
The dealer I mainly use doesn't even stock TGMO in bulk. When you ask for it they use quart bottles. If you look back through the forum you'll find people's dealers using Valvoline, all kinds of stuff.
Let’s assume they are in fact lying about what’s printed on my invoice. As long as it’s 0w-20, who cares who makes it? Do you know of any subpar performing 0w-20 oils?
No need to be defensive. If its printed on your invoice then I'm sure thats what they used. Point is the blanket statement "dealers use bulk TGMO" is not true for every dealership. For people to whom that matters its of value to know that.
And Toyota dealerships will change it for under $50... This thread is gold.
Originally Posted by 0133642
Bulk TGMO 0w-20 is used. And it’s closer to $40 than $50 at Priority Toyota in Hampton, VA.
Yoi said “Toyota dealerships” a general statement. Then you specified “bulk TGMO is used” also implying in general. That statement is not correct “in general”
You have such a chip on your shoulder about oil.
Remember the LS holds 9+ quarts of oil. So that means they’re charging you about $3 a quart for TGMO. I’d be skeptical.
Considering you replied, then edited soon thereafter, (albeit with another glaring typo, but we already addressed attention to detail) I’ll assume this is exceptionally important for SW17LS to comprehend.
If Toyota near SW17LS uses something other than TGMO I believe it. I was advised differently where I live. I couldn’t care less what brand 0w-20 is applied to my engine.
Any edit is for a typo, those responses were written on my iPhone.
People look to this forum for accurate information, and the fact is not all Toyota or Lexus dealers use TGMO, or even any name brand oil for a typical oil change. People shouldn't assume they do if thats something they care about (given the many threads here on this subject, clearly many people do care). Why you have to have such an attitude I don't understand.
Thats $7.29 a quart. If we are to believe an oil change "close to $40" for an LS460 that essentially holds 10 quarts of oil, that means that if they made no labor, threw in the filter and gasket for free they were charging you only $4 a quart for the oil. Like I said, I would be very skeptical of anybody saying they will change the oil in an LS460 for $40 and use synthetic 0W20.
Hell, 2 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 at Walmart is $50.
I can guarantee that $50 oil change for 10 qts of oil is not TGMO, most likely dino oil they used. The price for 1 quart of 0W-20 TGMO is $5.32 at Toyota dealership (Illinois).
I can guarantee that $50 oil change for 10 qts of oil is not TGMO, most likely dino oil they used. The price for 1 bottle of 0W-20 TGMO is $5.48 at Toyota dealership (Illinois).
And thats a good price for TGMO retail at that dealer.
Yes, it's pretty cheap. I took my LS in for 4 complimentary oil changes at the Lexus dealership, each time they used 5W-30 (Durafilm? brand oil). One time I requested synthetic oil, and I had to pay $50 surcharge for that.
If we do the math, a 55 gallon drum has 220 quarts. So this oil is $3.38 a quart. So even this oil is going to be $34 AT SHOP COST for 10 quarts.
Doing the math on this further, their biggest bulk price is $632.83 a drum, their shop cost is $2.88 a quart. Now were getting somewhere. So, if you're getting a $40-50 oil change on an LS460 and they are using 0W20 oil, this is what they're using not TGMO or any other name brand oil.
Is this fine? Probably. Just understand what you're getting.
One thing I’ve learned recently about Toyota/Lexus dealers is that it pays to be educated and provide specific direction to the service advisor. Case in point Toyota has two lines of brake pads, if I didn’t specifically ask for Factory replacement pads during a recent dealer visit (for my Toyota) they would have slapped the cheap value line pads on my car - I know this to be the case as the service advisor had to call parts to confirm they had the factory brake pads I requested in stock. Also, had a Lexus dealer put the wrong viscosity oil in my 460 recently, well they say there was a mistake on my invoice but still I wonder. I no longer assume anything with the dealership.
Ok, I don't want to beat a dead horse but I have a quick question about oil changes and this looked like a good thread to jump on.
My 2007 LS460 just reached 180k miles and I can only assume that it has ran conventional oil all its life. This morning I dropped my LS off at the Lexus dealership and spoke to my service advisor about switching to Synthetic. I was told that synthetic oil and 10k mile intervals were not recommend for my year LS. Not only was it not recommended, but for them to change to synthetic oil they could not use the 0W20 oil they purchase in bulk and would have to purchase 5W20 synthetic for my car specifically which would increase the normal $89.95 Synthetic oil change to somewhere in the neighborhood of $175. They recommended that I just stick with the conventional 5k mile oil change intervals at a cost of $59.95.
So at this point, I just went ahead and consented to the normal conventional oil change and moved forward, but this doesn't make sense to me. From what I understand the LS460 has the same 4.6L 1UR-FE engine from 2007 to 2017. I don't know of any major changes to the engine that would justify the newer models using 0w20 and not allowing the older models to run the weight oil.
Along with this scenario, I guess an additional question is would it be wise to switch to synthetic oil at this point in the engine's life or would I be better off just continuing to run the conventional oil? I can't think of any reasons to be concerned, other than the lighter oil may result in possible valve train noise at start up.
I will have to check the owners manual to see why, but I just verified with the local Lexus dealership and they us a Shell 5W20 Conventional oil for the standard Oil change.
Gjohnson, like you I have an 07, now with around 116k miles, still on all original suspension components, love this car!
I have to say I am stunned that a Lexus dealership would make the decision to go against what Lexus's own engineers who built the car say about to use full synthetic 0-20
Personally, I doubt if any lasting harm has been done to your engine using only non synthetic and the manual does say it is ok to use 5-20, something about
in more extreme conditions, I don't remember but look in your manual
Do us all a favor out of curiosity and ask your Lexus service manager when and why he chose to disregard what Lexus recommends and instead use conventional oil?
Dealerships do not at all automatically know what they're doing.
To be fair though, the manual for the 2007 LS460 does NOT say that it has to use synthetic oil. It says that 5W20 or 0W20 oil may be used but that 0W20 is the best choice for fuel economy and starting in cold weather. Now, 0W20 is ALWAYS a synthetic oil, but 5W20 is not. The manual gives no caveat about using 5W20 whatsoever, in fact they put 5W20 first...which does not at all imply thats only for certain situations. The manual also says nothing about synthetic oil.
Now, what can happen in older cars if you all of a sudden go to a real thin oil like the 0W20 is you can get leaks, you can get ring blow-by.
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