Is Either LS 460 L Worth Buying?
#16
Oh, I would too, but is the 2011 worth another 10 grand? That's a much tougher call.
It's somewhat like comparing a 2012 and a 2013. Comparably equipped with similar miles, the spread is generally around 10 grand. It's easy to say buy the newest model that one that can and that a 2013 has many improvements over a 2012, but I have lots of other good uses for 10 grand, especially since it will be a second car that's driven 4000 miles per year at most.
It's somewhat like comparing a 2012 and a 2013. Comparably equipped with similar miles, the spread is generally around 10 grand. It's easy to say buy the newest model that one that can and that a 2013 has many improvements over a 2012, but I have lots of other good uses for 10 grand, especially since it will be a second car that's driven 4000 miles per year at most.
#17
I would go for the 07 and save 10k. There isn't tons of difference in features, not 10K worth. Also should be less depreciation. And 10% below that brings it down to $14,400. Save the 10k for repairs that might come up or bank it to trade up to a newer in a few years. I bought an 07 about a year ago for 15k with 68,000 miles on it, SWB, not all but most options, and I am totally happy with it. $20 enabled me to play music through the bluetooth. I intend to drive it at least 2 more years, it will have about 125,000 on the clock, I should be able to get half my money back on sale or trade and move up to a 2013 with the refresh and still probably stay in that $15-20 k range.
#19
Most people are saying the 2011 price is too high (and in a vacuum I agree) , but the kicker here is the Executive Class Seating Package. It is so rare to find, and if OP wants it that bad, that will drive the price up. I bet that's what the private seller at $26k is banking on.
The 07 L I bought this summer hss everything but Executive Class Seating Package, but I really wanted the Exec Package
. I might have paid a few thousand more just to get it, if there was a decent car with it for sale.
The 07 L I bought this summer hss everything but Executive Class Seating Package, but I really wanted the Exec Package
. I might have paid a few thousand more just to get it, if there was a decent car with it for sale.
For comparison's sake, I paid $27,500 for my 2010 LS600hL (66k miles, 1-owner) earlier this summer, and mine has every available option (LKA, DRCC, DAM, Executive Seating, etc.). Original MSRP was $126K, so I was very happy to get this car for $27,500. I do think the price continues to drop on the 2010-2012 models, but you just have to jump in at some point knowing the price will be lower in 6 months (and not caring). I paid an extra $2800 for a 6-year comprehensive warranty via CNA, so I'm planning to keep the car for a while. I'm extremely happy with my 600, and have always been happiest when I bought the absolute top-of-the-line, even though it costs a bit more. Good luck!
#20
Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but his old geezer has never successfully copied a link.
The cars look to be in the same condition - straight panels, matching paint, uniform panel gaps, excellent interiors, near perfect wheels, very little steering wheel wear, matching Michelins with great tread, etc. The only oddity in any of the photos is a screw not fully securing the dash in the 2007, no doubt from when the dealer replaced it last year. So, there really is nothing to give either a leg up based on the pics.
The cars look to be in the same condition - straight panels, matching paint, uniform panel gaps, excellent interiors, near perfect wheels, very little steering wheel wear, matching Michelins with great tread, etc. The only oddity in any of the photos is a screw not fully securing the dash in the 2007, no doubt from when the dealer replaced it last year. So, there really is nothing to give either a leg up based on the pics.
#21
I tend to agree that the Executive Seating is a rare and valuable thing, and it would probably drive the price of the car up to some extent. When new, the Executive Seating Package was a $10-12K option, so paying $2k more for it today seems like a good value.
For comparison's sake, I paid $27,500 for my 2010 LS600hL (66k miles, 1-owner) earlier this summer, and mine has every available option (LKA, DRCC, DAM, Executive Seating, etc.). Original MSRP was $126K, so I was very happy to get this car for $27,500. I do think the price continues to drop on the 2010-2012 models, but you just have to jump in at some point knowing the price will be lower in 6 months (and not caring). I paid an extra $2800 for a 6-year comprehensive warranty via CNA, so I'm planning to keep the car for a while. I'm extremely happy with my 600, and have always been happiest when I bought the absolute top-of-the-line, even though it costs a bit more. Good luck!
For comparison's sake, I paid $27,500 for my 2010 LS600hL (66k miles, 1-owner) earlier this summer, and mine has every available option (LKA, DRCC, DAM, Executive Seating, etc.). Original MSRP was $126K, so I was very happy to get this car for $27,500. I do think the price continues to drop on the 2010-2012 models, but you just have to jump in at some point knowing the price will be lower in 6 months (and not caring). I paid an extra $2800 for a 6-year comprehensive warranty via CNA, so I'm planning to keep the car for a while. I'm extremely happy with my 600, and have always been happiest when I bought the absolute top-of-the-line, even though it costs a bit more. Good luck!
While the guides give some idea of the monetary value of the seating package, but I really wonder. For the average joe, it might be a drawback in limiting carrying capacity (both for people and cargo). In my case, other vehicles can serve those needs. As a rough gauge, an additional 10% seems about right, at least to me.
#22
2011 with over 70K for 26K private sale is way too high, don't care if it has the executive seating package. You are getting no warranty unless you pay a lot extra for it, it has spotty service history and diagnosed with a issue with no record of being addressed plus at that mileage/year the air struts are likely going to or on their way to having issues which will again be very expensive.
I would go with the 2011 but would only pay 22K to 23K at most if it checks out and is in great condition.
I would go with the 2011 but would only pay 22K to 23K at most if it checks out and is in great condition.
#24
#25
I'm starting to think that both of them should be avoided. The issues that crop up on the early 4G cars are really troubling, especially for a Toyota product. Bad control arms, amps, interior panels, brakes actuators - the list of serious problems seems endless, particularly as the vehicles age. And it's hard to understand why some cars are plagued by most (or all) of these maladies while others suffer few or none.
Time will tell if similar issues arise on the '13 and later 4Gs, so maybe it's best to just wait. My '06 LS 430 is a fabulous car and its potential problems are minor by comparison.
Time will tell if similar issues arise on the '13 and later 4Gs, so maybe it's best to just wait. My '06 LS 430 is a fabulous car and its potential problems are minor by comparison.
#26
I vote to wait for a 2013+ LS460. You just bought your 2006 LS430 so enjoy it for a year or 2 or try to recoup close to what you paid for it via private sale.
I love my 2008 LS460 but will only let it go for the price I want. My price is pretty high on Craigslist. I've only owned it for a year and a 1/2 so the challenge is to recoup close to what I paid to allow me to move on. The 2013+ LS460 is the best years to buy and I now really like the way it looks now.
I love my 2008 LS460 but will only let it go for the price I want. My price is pretty high on Craigslist. I've only owned it for a year and a 1/2 so the challenge is to recoup close to what I paid to allow me to move on. The 2013+ LS460 is the best years to buy and I now really like the way it looks now.
#27
Money talks. If your cheap like me you buy a 07 or 08 with under 100k. It's pretty much the same car all the way up till the 2018 LS500. Others will differ but seriously, same platform, same engine and transmission. They all ride the same. Don't ever buy air suspension without an iron clad extended warranty. Of course if money isn't an object go 2013 or newer. I still wouldn't pay too much without getting blind spot monitor, radar cruise and front and rear automatic collision braking. Without those new amenities no car to me is worth more than $15,000.
By the way dump that LS430 while you can still get the most money out of it. LS460 is so much nicer a car.
By the way dump that LS430 while you can still get the most money out of it. LS460 is so much nicer a car.
Last edited by Kennyr44; 09-10-18 at 10:44 AM.
#28
They don't actually all ride the same. There are considerable improvements along the way. The chassis was made much stiffer in 2013, suspension components were revised. Theres a considerable difference actually between my 2017 and my 2015.
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#29
I'm starting to think that both of them should be avoided. The issues that crop up on the early 4G cars are really troubling, especially for a Toyota product. Bad control arms, amps, interior panels, brakes actuators - the list of serious problems seems endless, particularly as the vehicles age. And it's hard to understand why some cars are plagued by most (or all) of these maladies while others suffer few or none.
Time will tell if similar issues arise on the '13 and later 4Gs, so maybe it's best to just wait. My '06 LS 430 is a fabulous car and its potential problems are minor by comparison.
Time will tell if similar issues arise on the '13 and later 4Gs, so maybe it's best to just wait. My '06 LS 430 is a fabulous car and its potential problems are minor by comparison.
#30
Don't let people scare you off, this is a very reliable car. There are plenty of trouble spots for an LS430 its just the vehicle you know.
The cost of having to replace your timing belt every 90k miles pays for a control arm replacement and a brake actuator in 180k miles.