Originally Posted by abs

@Vicqlo - Thanks for that data point, definitely helps to frame the value. The depreciation is quite amazing.

Update: I went to test drive the car tonight, hit traffic on my way from work so got there and it was already dark. So far as I can tell the interior is a 9/10. The rear seats look as though they were never sat in, the rear center glove box still had a piece of plastic tape with some markings on it on top of the wood trim. I think this is likely the original plastic covering from when the car was new! The side body panels, doors, seams, all looked straight, no dings, good paint, I think all original. The edges of the hood were not lining up height wise with the fenders on both sides. I also noticed some weirdness in the paint at a few locations around the grill, I suspect it was "touched up" but poorly done, was very hard to tell with the parking lot lights. Both fenders looked to have original paint, but again very tough to tell in that light.

Now the bad stuff. I noticed a moderate/severe chuggle at around 40-45mph with the torque converter locked up. In my experience this is either caused by the engine running rough under load at low rpm or by a transmission torque converter or solenoid control issue. I also noticed the brakes felt funny, like a delay in engagement and a little spongy. I believe the dealer did a brake job on the car and it may be they did not use OEM pads or that the pads are not seated, not sure. Lastly, I was informed that the entire touch screen/GPS/radio was replaced by the dealer. I found this confusing as there should be no reason to replace the unit on a car with only about 25k miles. It begs the question what happened to the original one that it had to be replaced? The steering also felt pretty heavy, even at low speeds, which I did not expect. The power assist was working just not as light a touch as I anticipated. I don't have prior experience with the LS460, but on the LS430, the steering is definitely lighter. It also felt like the car had some side to side "wobble" over bumps which made me think maybe something funky with the suspension was going on. The car tracked straight on smooth roads and did not have that odd swaying session as it did on the bumpy roads. I'd welcome feedback on all of this.

With respect to price, the sales rep was holding firm at the "internet price" which I told him was way too high for the current market and that if the price was not negotiable that we wouldn't be doing business. I was told to expect a call tomorrow from the sales manager, we will see what happens from there. Obviously, any mechanical issues would need to be evaluated and resolved and I would need to do a really good 3rd party inspection before agreeing to a purchase.

Originally Posted by abs

I found a dealer who has a non-CPO LS460L AWD for sale with about 25k miles on it. It does have Levinson sound, heated rear seats and the sun shades on the rear window and side windows. It is not a sport edition, it does not have the air suspension, it does not have massaging rear seats. I'm not sure about the automatic cruise control. I've checked the VIN on the Lexus site and so far as I can tell this was a one owner vehicle that was not abused and was properly maintained by the dealer. The Autocheck does not show any accidents. I think it's very clean and looks great in the photos, I'll be seeing it in person this Tuesday. I would love to get some insight from the forum as to what a fair price would be for the car assuming it checks out?