2015 LS460 craft line: How is the suspension?
03-08-19, 05:49 PM
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2015 LS460 craft line: How is the suspension?
I am considering to purchase a 2015 LS460 base model but I cannot find one equipped with air suspension which could deliver a softer ride. I am confused about craft line model with "sport tuned air suspension" --- Is that as comfortable as the one on ls600 (in comfort mode)? I never use sport mode and I just hope that "sport tuned air suspension" could help on comfortability. If the comfort mode is not much difference between craft line and base model(without air suspension) then I will go with base model. Anyone who has driven craft line model before?
03-08-19, 06:23 PM
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Oh I thought aggressive damping is only for sport mode...... Thanks for your suggestion.
BTW, why most people didn't choose air suspension on LS460? That's really a huge difference. This option cost $2000 but people would rather choose 19' wheel for this price...
BTW, why most people didn't choose air suspension on LS460? That's really a huge difference. This option cost $2000 but people would rather choose 19' wheel for this price...
03-08-19, 07:01 PM
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I have the 2015 Crafted AWD F-Sport, which has the air suspension. I don't know if the air suspension is any different--it's not what I would call sporty though. I do like the air suspension because I can firm it up with Sport or S-Sport when I'm in the mood, as well as raise the whole car up for deep snow and whatnot. I usually drive it around in Normal mode, but I did try comfort mode for a day or two last week and it does soften it up even more.
03-08-19, 07:52 PM
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I have the 2015 Crafted AWD F-Sport, which has the air suspension. I don't know if the air suspension is any different--it's not what I would call sporty though. I do like the air suspension because I can firm it up with Sport or S-Sport when I'm in the mood, as well as raise the whole car up for deep snow and whatnot. I usually drive it around in Normal mode, but I did try comfort mode for a day or two last week and it does soften it up even more.
03-09-19, 02:00 AM
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Crafted line is the same as the regular F Sport. The only difference is the blacked-out handles, blacked out side mirrors, two tone interior and floor mats. It's the same suspensions setup like the F Sport. One of my air suspension on my 2013 went out at 70k. Luckily I found a guy on eBay who was selling a whole set for a thousand. He took it off from his 2015 and went with air Runner. His car has 10k on it. I installed his set and took mine off.
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03-09-19, 06:28 AM
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Crafted line is the same as the regular F Sport. The only difference is the blacked-out handles, blacked out side mirrors, two tone interior and floor mats. It's the same suspensions setup like the F Sport. One of my air suspension on my 2013 went out at 70k. Luckily I found a guy on eBay who was selling a whole set for a thousand. He took it off from his 2015 and went with air Runner. His car has 10k on it. I installed his set and took mine off.
03-09-19, 08:10 AM
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My '08 L was a sport suspension (air) set up. It was quite nice, and IMO, just about perfect for my liking...though there were times I thought it should be a little less aggressive. I keep my cars on soft all the time, unless I know there are pavement imperfections where I can use the 'sport' setting to keep everything under control. And, yes, you can switch the suspension mid-freeway heave or bridge transition to control how it comes back down (or up). Reponse time on the struts is less than a tenth of a second, I've played with the actuators and watched them move as the setting change. It's remarkably quick, though they don't have to spin much to make a large change.
My '12, however, is regular air. It's softer and more mellow, but not horribly so. I'm sorely tempted to replace the regular air suspension computer and replace it with a sport computer. The dampers are the same, it's just how they behave is changed. Both cars have 19" wheels on them, though tires are different...for now.
Oh, and trust me, at full-on firm damping, you'd be shocked at how rough one of these can ride. It's S-class AMG-unpleasant for a daily driver. Mine was like that for the first 8 months, or so, after I bought it because I didn't know there was a loose connector for the RR strut. This makes the system default to full-strength damping all the time.
BTW, every time you come to a stop, the actuators turn all four struts to full firmness.
The LS 460, especially the "L", which both of mine have been/are, is a proper land yacht. It shouldn't ride like a two-person personal watercraft. At the same time, I want to be able to tighten things up considerably, because even a yacht can be hustled on back roads, and be enjoyable, if you have the proper expectations.
IMO, with adjustable suspension, the owner should be able to change it to how they want it, be that super-marshmallow soft or rock hard...to the suspension's limits, naturally.
My '12, however, is regular air. It's softer and more mellow, but not horribly so. I'm sorely tempted to replace the regular air suspension computer and replace it with a sport computer. The dampers are the same, it's just how they behave is changed. Both cars have 19" wheels on them, though tires are different...for now.
Oh, and trust me, at full-on firm damping, you'd be shocked at how rough one of these can ride. It's S-class AMG-unpleasant for a daily driver. Mine was like that for the first 8 months, or so, after I bought it because I didn't know there was a loose connector for the RR strut. This makes the system default to full-strength damping all the time.
BTW, every time you come to a stop, the actuators turn all four struts to full firmness.
The LS 460, especially the "L", which both of mine have been/are, is a proper land yacht. It shouldn't ride like a two-person personal watercraft. At the same time, I want to be able to tighten things up considerably, because even a yacht can be hustled on back roads, and be enjoyable, if you have the proper expectations.
IMO, with adjustable suspension, the owner should be able to change it to how they want it, be that super-marshmallow soft or rock hard...to the suspension's limits, naturally.
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03-09-19, 11:14 PM
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My '08 L was a sport suspension (air) set up. It was quite nice, and IMO, just about perfect for my liking...though there were times I thought it should be a little less aggressive. I keep my cars on soft all the time, unless I know there are pavement imperfections where I can use the 'sport' setting to keep everything under control. And, yes, you can switch the suspension mid-freeway heave or bridge transition to control how it comes back down (or up). Reponse time on the struts is less than a tenth of a second, I've played with the actuators and watched them move as the setting change. It's remarkably quick, though they don't have to spin much to make a large change.
My '12, however, is regular air. It's softer and more mellow, but not horribly so. I'm sorely tempted to replace the regular air suspension computer and replace it with a sport computer. The dampers are the same, it's just how they behave is changed. Both cars have 19" wheels on them, though tires are different...for now.
Oh, and trust me, at full-on firm damping, you'd be shocked at how rough one of these can ride. It's S-class AMG-unpleasant for a daily driver. Mine was like that for the first 8 months, or so, after I bought it because I didn't know there was a loose connector for the RR strut. This makes the system default to full-strength damping all the time.
BTW, every time you come to a stop, the actuators turn all four struts to full firmness.
The LS 460, especially the "L", which both of mine have been/are, is a proper land yacht. It shouldn't ride like a two-person personal watercraft. At the same time, I want to be able to tighten things up considerably, because even a yacht can be hustled on back roads, and be enjoyable, if you have the proper expectations.
IMO, with adjustable suspension, the owner should be able to change it to how they want it, be that super-marshmallow soft or rock hard...to the suspension's limits, naturally.
My '12, however, is regular air. It's softer and more mellow, but not horribly so. I'm sorely tempted to replace the regular air suspension computer and replace it with a sport computer. The dampers are the same, it's just how they behave is changed. Both cars have 19" wheels on them, though tires are different...for now.
Oh, and trust me, at full-on firm damping, you'd be shocked at how rough one of these can ride. It's S-class AMG-unpleasant for a daily driver. Mine was like that for the first 8 months, or so, after I bought it because I didn't know there was a loose connector for the RR strut. This makes the system default to full-strength damping all the time.
BTW, every time you come to a stop, the actuators turn all four struts to full firmness.
The LS 460, especially the "L", which both of mine have been/are, is a proper land yacht. It shouldn't ride like a two-person personal watercraft. At the same time, I want to be able to tighten things up considerably, because even a yacht can be hustled on back roads, and be enjoyable, if you have the proper expectations.
IMO, with adjustable suspension, the owner should be able to change it to how they want it, be that super-marshmallow soft or rock hard...to the suspension's limits, naturally.
Is this this the part you were looking at?
https://www.lexuspartsnow.com/parts/...pension,,89293
03-10-19, 04:51 AM
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Lexus Test Driver
Yep, that's it.
Search for a used one, it'll be less than $100. Unfortunately, the replacement I bought was a 'comfort' one, not sport, so it's the same as the one I have.
Had I know I was going to get another air-suspension LS, I'd have swapped them out before my car went to salvage.
Search for a used one, it'll be less than $100. Unfortunately, the replacement I bought was a 'comfort' one, not sport, so it's the same as the one I have.
Had I know I was going to get another air-suspension LS, I'd have swapped them out before my car went to salvage.
03-10-19, 06:15 AM
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Yep, that's it.
Search for a used one, it'll be less than $100. Unfortunately, the replacement I bought was a 'comfort' one, not sport, so it's the same as the one I have.
Had I know I was going to get another air-suspension LS, I'd have swapped them out before my car went to salvage.
Search for a used one, it'll be less than $100. Unfortunately, the replacement I bought was a 'comfort' one, not sport, so it's the same as the one I have.
Had I know I was going to get another air-suspension LS, I'd have swapped them out before my car went to salvage.
03-10-19, 07:22 PM
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It was my fault. I had yet to look at mine before buying it, got the wrong one, at least for that car (sport). Now that I have a comfort one, I want the sport one to compare back-to-back on the exact same car.
I've found them for about $125, prices have gone up a bit. I think I paid $85 for mine. I've had it hooked up, no codes/problems, so I know it's good.
I need to look and see if the 2015 has the same computer...probably is, but y'never know...then see if zhaoyi2333 would trade me, even-steven. We both win!
edit: I think they're different because of the refresh in '13...different part number (don't know if the connectors are the same or not, yet). Bummer. The problem too is there's an assumption 19" wheels means it's the sport computer, which is not necessarily the case. Purple label = comfort Green = sport At least this is on the the v4.0 and v4.1 cars. Not the v4.2 cars, however. Of course, the H cars have yet a different part number. /facepalm
edit 2: Check that...the connectors are the same...I think they're interchangeable. Woot!!!!
I've found them for about $125, prices have gone up a bit. I think I paid $85 for mine. I've had it hooked up, no codes/problems, so I know it's good.
I need to look and see if the 2015 has the same computer...probably is, but y'never know...then see if zhaoyi2333 would trade me, even-steven. We both win!
edit: I think they're different because of the refresh in '13...different part number (don't know if the connectors are the same or not, yet). Bummer. The problem too is there's an assumption 19" wheels means it's the sport computer, which is not necessarily the case. Purple label = comfort Green = sport At least this is on the the v4.0 and v4.1 cars. Not the v4.2 cars, however. Of course, the H cars have yet a different part number. /facepalm
edit 2: Check that...the connectors are the same...I think they're interchangeable. Woot!!!!
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03-10-19, 09:11 PM
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It was my fault. I had yet to look at mine before buying it, got the wrong one, at least for that car (sport). Now that I have a comfort one, I want the sport one to compare back-to-back on the exact same car.
I've found them for about $125, prices have gone up a bit. I think I paid $85 for mine. I've had it hooked up, no codes/problems, so I know it's good.
I need to look and see if the 2015 has the same computer...probably is, but y'never know...then see if zhaoyi2333 would trade me, even-steven. We both win!
edit: I think they're different because of the refresh in '13...different part number (don't know if the connectors are the same or not, yet). Bummer. The problem too is there's an assumption 19" wheels means it's the sport computer, which is not necessarily the case. Purple label = comfort Green = sport At least this is on the the v4.0 and v4.1 cars. Not the v4.2 cars, however. Of course, the H cars have yet a different part number. /facepalm
edit 2: Check that...the connectors are the same...I think they're interchangeable. Woot!!!!
I've found them for about $125, prices have gone up a bit. I think I paid $85 for mine. I've had it hooked up, no codes/problems, so I know it's good.
I need to look and see if the 2015 has the same computer...probably is, but y'never know...then see if zhaoyi2333 would trade me, even-steven. We both win!
edit: I think they're different because of the refresh in '13...different part number (don't know if the connectors are the same or not, yet). Bummer. The problem too is there's an assumption 19" wheels means it's the sport computer, which is not necessarily the case. Purple label = comfort Green = sport At least this is on the the v4.0 and v4.1 cars. Not the v4.2 cars, however. Of course, the H cars have yet a different part number. /facepalm
edit 2: Check that...the connectors are the same...I think they're interchangeable. Woot!!!!
btw where is this module located? Thanks
03-11-19, 02:23 AM
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car-part.com
It's behind the glove box...like, the glove box must be removed to get to it. Not a huge deal, once you've done it a time or two. I'll post a pic of exactly where it is because I was in there just two days ago.
It's behind the glove box...like, the glove box must be removed to get to it. Not a huge deal, once you've done it a time or two. I'll post a pic of exactly where it is because I was in there just two days ago.
03-11-19, 01:53 PM
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03-14-19, 03:29 PM
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It was my fault. I had yet to look at mine before buying it, got the wrong one, at least for that car (sport). Now that I have a comfort one, I want the sport one to compare back-to-back on the exact same car.
I've found them for about $125, prices have gone up a bit. I think I paid $85 for mine. I've had it hooked up, no codes/problems, so I know it's good.
I need to look and see if the 2015 has the same computer...probably is, but y'never know...then see if zhaoyi2333 would trade me, even-steven. We both win!
edit: I think they're different because of the refresh in '13...different part number (don't know if the connectors are the same or not, yet). Bummer. The problem too is there's an assumption 19" wheels means it's the sport computer, which is not necessarily the case. Purple label = comfort Green = sport At least this is on the the v4.0 and v4.1 cars. Not the v4.2 cars, however. Of course, the H cars have yet a different part number. /facepalm
edit 2: Check that...the connectors are the same...I think they're interchangeable. Woot!!!!
I've found them for about $125, prices have gone up a bit. I think I paid $85 for mine. I've had it hooked up, no codes/problems, so I know it's good.
I need to look and see if the 2015 has the same computer...probably is, but y'never know...then see if zhaoyi2333 would trade me, even-steven. We both win!
edit: I think they're different because of the refresh in '13...different part number (don't know if the connectors are the same or not, yet). Bummer. The problem too is there's an assumption 19" wheels means it's the sport computer, which is not necessarily the case. Purple label = comfort Green = sport At least this is on the the v4.0 and v4.1 cars. Not the v4.2 cars, however. Of course, the H cars have yet a different part number. /facepalm
edit 2: Check that...the connectors are the same...I think they're interchangeable. Woot!!!!
I would probably get a regular LS460 (w/o air suspension) at the end of this month, or a craft-line if there is a new one post on sale in my area, hopefully!
And would you recommend an extended warranty for ls460? This is a 2014 LS460 base model, with 40000 miles on it. Everything done in local Lexus and there is no accident/repair. The price would be $2500/2 year or $4000/4 year (quite a lot). Really a lot and I am hesitating again!