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Old 01-12-20, 06:38 AM
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Be happy with your LS460. I traded out of mine at 178,000 miles and bought a new truck (2018 Chevy Silverado). I’m at 45,000 miles now and I’ve already had the starter replaced (under warranty) and now the injectors are failing (not covered under warranty). A $2,500 dollar job. 45,000 miles and the thing is misfiring and in need of injectors. Think about that - I drive my LS460 to 178,000 miles and I never once had a check engine light or misfire. Not once. All those years, all those miles, not one single electrical issue.

And GM is awful to deal with. Injectors NOT covered under power train warranty, it’s electrical. This truck shakes and shimmies up and down the highway every single day. Transmission doesn’t know what to do with itself. You think the LS460 has control arm issues or melting interiors? I’d love to have those problems again.

So now I’m watching videos on how to replace injectors on a 2018 5.3 direct injected engine...and pricing out after market injectors, not even two years into ownership. Hold on to your Lexus. Love it. Praise it. You own a car that will give you years and years of reliability and high quality driving experiences.
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Old 01-12-20, 06:53 AM
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That sucks you’ve had all those problems!
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I hate reading this. I’d hoped American vehicles had progressed from the terrible experiences I had many many years ago. I’ve not even considered another one since. With that said, my brother drives a 2012 F150 for his business. He puts it through a lot and it’s still running like a champ. The only thing he has done is change seat covers. Wish you luck.
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I hate reading this. I’d hoped American vehicles had progressed from the terrible experiences I had many many years ago. I’ve not even considered another one since. With that said, my brother drives a 2012 F150 for his business. He puts it through a lot and it’s still running like a champ. The only thing he has done is change seat covers. Wish you luck.
Yeah I really figured, it’s a truck, it’s essentially their flagship vehicle, they’re supposed to be durable and reliable. I should have known better.

You should see their forums...torque converters, oil consumption, lifter failure and injectors. Rusting frames. The “Chevy Shake”.

If anyone thinks they have it bad with their LS460, think again. You’ll have problems, but you’ll also have a lot less of them.
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Oh man, here I was thinking of doing this exact thing. Thanks for the warning.
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Sorry to hear that, but I agree that GM quality is not good. My last car, a Cadillac CTS, had some of the usual issues (wheel bearings, etc), but luckily it was garaged most of the time, and didn't suffer from electrical gremlins. I traded it in for the LS 460 before I had to shell out large amounts for maintenance.

My father-in-law had a 2008 CTS that was parked outside. Once rainwater made its way into the trunk and doors, he had issues such as the windows opening randomly and refusing to go back up, door locks not working, and the floor in the back was always wet. The high pressure fuel pump gave out at 45k miles, a $750 fix.

I'd never buy anything from GM as a long-term keeper.
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Sorry to hear that, but I agree that GM quality is not good. My last car, a Cadillac CTS, had some of the usual issues (wheel bearings, etc), but luckily it was garaged most of the time, and didn't suffer from electrical gremlins. I traded it in for the LS 460 before I had to shell out large amounts for maintenance.

My father-in-law had a 2008 CTS that was parked outside. Once rainwater made its way into the trunk and doors, he had issues such as the windows opening randomly and refusing to go back up, door locks not working, and the floor in the back was always wet. The high pressure fuel pump gave out at 45k miles, a $750 fix.

I'd never buy anything from GM as a long-term keeper.
And I knew about the Cadillac issues - brother in law worked for Caddy - told me I’d find out real quick what it’s like to own an American car if I bought one. So I didn’t.

Figured the truck would be much better. Should have bought a Tundra.

Now I’m at the point where I’m wondering, do I fix it and hope this stuff stops, or do I trade it in and get out of this before it gets real annoying? I drive 500 miles plus a week, I don’t have time to deal with unreliable vehicles.
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Dump the GM product and buy a Toyota product. I bought a 1998 RAV4 in Jan of 98 and sold it in March of 2015 with 189,000 miles on it and did not even change a light bulb on it in 17 years. I put around 3,500 miles on it a month and changed the oil once a month for the first 4 years and then shipped it to HI where it sat 8-9 months a year. We only used it 3-4 months a year during the winter while we were living on our sailboat that we keep in HI. I did normal stuff, brakes, oil changes, timing built at 100k and that was it. It's now on the big island somewhere.

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I didn’t originate this, but somebody said “GM builds as many cars as they can, as cheap as they can and as fast as they can”. I wouldn’t buy a spark plug from GM. I used to buy their products, but got burned too many times. Never again. Know of many verified horror stories with GM vehicles. Have had Honda, Acura, Lexus, Nissan and Hyundai vehicles over the last 35 years with virtually no problems. I think GM s quality and reliability have only improved marginally.
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The crap GM shoved down American buyers throats in the 80's and 90's was criminal.
Out of the 20ish cars in my extended family, no American ones.
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Our Chrysler Pacifica is a huge PITA with something wrong all the time too. It’s the family vehicle so being without it while it’s in the shop is a big problem, I feel your pain.
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I would buy the Tundra, but it is ancient, just like the other large Toyota/ Lexus SUVs. The one and only thing going for this brand is reliability. Love Toyota, but they are slow to update the larger rigs. Still, the Tundra is a well built vehicle without a doubt.

I will never purchase a GM product, not only due to reliability concerns, but just a poorly run company that needed a bailout. Dump that truck ASAP. You could get into a nice LS460 pretty cheap, as car values have tanked.
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Originally Posted by mbarron37
I would buy the Tundra, but it is ancient, just like the other large Toyota/ Lexus SUVs. The one and only thing going for this brand is reliability. Love Toyota, but they are slow to update the larger rigs. Still, the Tundra is a well built vehicle without a doubt.

I will never purchase a GM product, not only due to reliability concerns, but just a poorly run company that needed a bailout. Dump that truck ASAP. You could get into a nice LS460 pretty cheap, as car values have tanked.
I’d love to get back into an LS460, but I think my sedan days are done...like having a truck too much. And for all problems I’m having (actually it isn’t THAT bad, but for mileage it raises concerns), the truck is comfortable, quiet and great on gas for a truck (I’m averaging 24mpg).

I’d consider getting into an RX 350...2016 and up, but I now love having a pickup. I do miss my LS460 though.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Now I’m at the point where I’m wondering, do I fix it and hope this stuff stops, or do I trade it in and get out of this before it gets real annoying? I drive 500 miles plus a week, I don’t have time to deal with unreliable vehicles.
It's a tough call. I know I would elect to dump it and move on to something I hope would be more reliable, like a Tundra.
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If you really like it fix it and move on hoping that nothing else major happens. Personally I would get rid of it as long as I did not not have to take a huge hit on the trade in value. I honestly thought that American cars were more reliable than in the past since that's what I see in online articles all the time.


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