LS Discontinued
05-30-23, 06:05 PM
#31
I bought an older LS460 instead of a 2-3 year old 500 because in my tests the 460 was more luxurious. I didn’t think it was even close. That’s a huge problem. I would have vastly preferred a newer car, newer safety measures, newer tech, beautiful interior, etc. The 500 seemed more like a GS model.
Hopefully they come out with an EV LS that looks back to their roots, the 400/430 models. With range at a premium the sedan body style is even more critical. That new Toyota century looks fantastic.
Hopefully they come out with an EV LS that looks back to their roots, the 400/430 models. With range at a premium the sedan body style is even more critical. That new Toyota century looks fantastic.
You bought a used 10 year old sedan with a dated design because it was affordable.
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Dagenus (06-02-23)
05-30-23, 08:03 PM
#32
05-31-23, 02:54 AM
#33
Last edited by Lingus; 05-31-23 at 05:41 AM. Reason: Explaining my rather obtuse comment.
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Dagenus (06-02-23)
05-31-23, 03:39 AM
#34
Now I would imagine if folks go to 4th generation and talk about how 3rd gen is better you begin to question why someone would do such a thing.
Is there any debate that your 2016 460L is NOT an great car?
You saw great value in a very proven model. Good for you.
The LS500 is not perfect. Many of us prefer it to the 4th gen for many reasons that are subjective.
What kind of driving you do, how many miles, climate, topography, and comfort are all different for us.
05-31-23, 04:56 AM
#35
Correct. There is no perfect car. This notion that the LS500 is somehow deficient and that every last one of them is a lemon is BS. The fact is that the LS500 forum gets guerilla trolled by a few people that wish they had one is an endorsement of the exclusivity of the LS500. It's interesting that no LS500 owners are trolling the non LS500 forums.
If the LS500 model doesn't represent value to you, don't buy it. Perhaps a BMW 700 or Benz S550 does. How does comparing a BMW 700 to a BMW300 sound? Or a 2023 model anything compare to a 2006 of the same model?
If the LS500 model doesn't represent value to you, don't buy it. Perhaps a BMW 700 or Benz S550 does. How does comparing a BMW 700 to a BMW300 sound? Or a 2023 model anything compare to a 2006 of the same model?
05-31-23, 12:33 PM
#36
For me, my LS500 is excellent value and couldn't be happier with the car.
If the ES guerrilla trolls went to the GS forum and tried that, they would be laughed at so quickly and put in their place for their ignorance on several levels.
I recently took a week long road trip to Maryland, and did not see a single LS500 the entire week. In fact, I have not seen a single LS500 on the road in the two months plus of my ownership outside a dealership. I did see many ES's and Camry's and a few GS's and IS's which goes to show the exclusiveness of this vehicle which is another thing I love about this car besides all the other wonderful things we love about it.
If the ES guerrilla trolls went to the GS forum and tried that, they would be laughed at so quickly and put in their place for their ignorance on several levels.
I recently took a week long road trip to Maryland, and did not see a single LS500 the entire week. In fact, I have not seen a single LS500 on the road in the two months plus of my ownership outside a dealership. I did see many ES's and Camry's and a few GS's and IS's which goes to show the exclusiveness of this vehicle which is another thing I love about this car besides all the other wonderful things we love about it.
06-01-23, 07:57 PM
#37
For me, my LS500 is excellent value and couldn't be happier with the car.
If the ES guerrilla trolls went to the GS forum and tried that, they would be laughed at so quickly and put in their place for their ignorance on several levels.
I recently took a week long road trip to Maryland, and did not see a single LS500 the entire week. In fact, I have not seen a single LS500 on the road in the two months plus of my ownership outside a dealership. I did see many ES's and Camry's and a few GS's and IS's which goes to show the exclusiveness of this vehicle which is another thing I love about this car besides all the other wonderful things we love about it.
If the ES guerrilla trolls went to the GS forum and tried that, they would be laughed at so quickly and put in their place for their ignorance on several levels.
I recently took a week long road trip to Maryland, and did not see a single LS500 the entire week. In fact, I have not seen a single LS500 on the road in the two months plus of my ownership outside a dealership. I did see many ES's and Camry's and a few GS's and IS's which goes to show the exclusiveness of this vehicle which is another thing I love about this car besides all the other wonderful things we love about it.
You sure those ES's were not LS's?? LOL
06-02-23, 01:40 AM
#38
Sounds like BS to me. Toyota is not going to kill their flagship. I don't even believe it will go EV-only. Toyota knows pure EV is difficult to implement IRL (charging network, etc.). I would believe that there will be an EV LS, but not that the LS is going to be exclusively EV. Nor that it is being killed. Your dealership guy is a real yenta.
06-02-23, 03:02 AM
#39
06-02-23, 08:10 AM
#40
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Hybrid
I could foresee Toyota making an LS hybrid AWD with LOTS of horsepressure, say maybe 500-600 hp.
06-11-23, 09:06 PM
#41
I hope they don’t kill the LS. I prefer the LS430 and LS460, but still enjoyed the LS500. It would be a true shame if they killed it. The LS, LC, and LX are important to the brand. Without the LS, they’d be like Acura and Infiniti without a flagship sedan.
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RX469 (01-19-24)
06-12-23, 02:46 AM
#42
They don't need to kill it. They just need to make it better.
06-12-23, 06:25 AM
#43
The LS500 is now in production 5 years. The German builds have done very well in China to justify its continued success as well as I would guess in europe. Lexus has never been big in those markets.
If the LS500 was replicated in some manner as the LS460 media would have said they were not daring, or evolving the car. If they kept it as an uncompromising car, might the price have been an over reach? If they were keep the formula of a german build might they have also been called out for it? Instead they built a deliberate direction to not copy “Teutonic” style as they had since 1989 and decided to employ its own style and engineering the car. Perhaps it was a last attempt to save the sedan? They went full “Japanese” style on this care.
I have not driven a Japanese build since 1993. All German. the LS460 and all before to me were respected but were old man cars. At some point i reached age 60 and the LS500 style looks refreshing. Is it as smooth as the LS460? I come from Grand Touring models so its not my preference to have a luxo barge. Oh, its big, and its quiet, and its smooth, but does not have to be any more then it is. To each their own.
BMW got slammed for the “BangleButt” design of its daring 7 series and then 5, but in time it was successful and copied even today. The Big Audi “Bass mouth) of the A6 was laughed at. Now, its common place. Big grills are the thing.
If anything the success of the ES style is based on the LS500 and thus its not an outright failure. IF so nobody would buy them as they are.
But we are biased. YOuu have LS500 owenrs who are happy, a few who are not (that always happens) and LS400 and LS460 owners who don’t have the new model but are happy with what they have which is cool.
We pretend as if money never factors into any of this. It always does.
Last edited by Nalod; 06-12-23 at 06:30 AM.
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Mob4life (07-30-23)
07-29-23, 09:01 AM
#44
I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by your comment. Genesis is no Lexus, well when it comes to service. But as for the car, it's a world ahead by a long shot. I'm no fan of the new 2023 design, but I'd put a 2022 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate against any top of the line LS500 out there. Lexus dropped the ball with the LS500 or I'd have one. Don't get me wrong, Lexus is a great company. They just got lazy. The LS400 innovated the world. And then . . . . .
Kia and Hyundai would need years of reliability before I bought one. Toyota built their reputation of reliability since the 70's.
No way would I spend equal or more money for a G90 if I can buy the Lexus for the same price.
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sajack (07-30-23)
08-01-23, 02:45 PM
#45
so from what i can tell you came from an EV, not an LS500, correct? Did you have a bad ownership experience with an LS500?
Now I would imagine if folks go to 4th generation and talk about how 3rd gen is better you begin to question why someone would do such a thing.
Is there any debate that your 2016 460L is NOT an great car?
You saw great value in a very proven model. Good for you.
The LS500 is not perfect. Many of us prefer it to the 4th gen for many reasons that are subjective.
What kind of driving you do, how many miles, climate, topography, and comfort are all different for us.
Now I would imagine if folks go to 4th generation and talk about how 3rd gen is better you begin to question why someone would do such a thing.
Is there any debate that your 2016 460L is NOT an great car?
You saw great value in a very proven model. Good for you.
The LS500 is not perfect. Many of us prefer it to the 4th gen for many reasons that are subjective.
What kind of driving you do, how many miles, climate, topography, and comfort are all different for us.
I purchased an LS460L as a temporary car, something to drive for a year before finding (hopefully) a more refined EV.
I wanted an LS500. The problem was I drove the LS500 against the LS460L and found the older model to be both quieter and to have a better ride, my two top criteria. That's it.